I hate Sreesanth

[Shri]

Calling someone obnoxious vs drunkenly calling someone a lump of s*** hardly the same thing. Or is it? I get confused as to we are and are not allowed to say without being bad sports/cheats/disgraces.

An insult is an insult. Does'nt matter what the word is.

 

[Matt79]

Well insults happen. When did we become so precious that insults could no longer be tolerated?

 

[Shri]

Since Rick Roll? I dont know...

 

[Richard]

Well insults happen. When did we become so precious that insults could no longer be tolerated?

Since we became international sportsmen who, whether we like it or not, have a responsibility to wider society as big-face public figures.

(Obviously, the "we" isn't actually "we" CW posters, but those for whom throwing around random insults in public can indeed not be tolerated.)

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well insults happen. When did we become so precious that insults could no longer be tolerated?

Think it was more the taking the mickey out of the Indian accent thing that riled up a fair few.

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Fail.

We all know what the media reaction was when Symonds called McCullum a lump of ****. McCullum was'nt Indian last time I checked.

Fail? Failed what? I was putting my 2 cents in, not trying to prove anything you goose.

As Matt79 said, there is a difference. Hayden was having a joke whilst Symonds flatout insulted McCullum.

 

[Sanz]

Definitely agree with a lot of this. A hell of a lot. Sree is 50 times worse than Hayden.

But you cannot just wash away his radio comments. I'm not sure he even properly apologised for it?

It was a low act, and he played to exactly what the radio DJs wanted. I.e. making fun of Ishant, and playing on the accent.

Hayden can cook all the curries he want, but that was something that pissed a lot of people off. You can argue you'd expect better from a seasoned intl cricketer who had been to India twice at that stage, and new the cultural sensitivity in cricket relations. Yet he still acted like a douche.

Completely Agree with what you have said, the only point I was making is Hayden's act , as bad as it looked, was an exception (which he should be criticized for ) whereas in case of Sreesanth it is a norm.

 

[Sanz]

Fail? Failed what? I was putting my 2 cents in, not trying to prove anything you goose.

As Matt79 said, there is a difference. Hayden was having a joke whilst Symonds flatout insulted McCullum.

Hayden was having a joke at the expense of someone by calling that person 'an obnoxious weed' not to forget Mocking accent publicly can be taken as a racist joke which is far more serious than what Symonds said.

 

[Sanz]

Calling someone obnoxious vs drunkenly calling someone a lump of s*** hardly the same thing. Or is it? .

Who decides it is/isn't the same thing ?

 

[wfdu_ben91]

Hayden was having a joke at the expense of someone by calling that person 'an obnoxious weed' not to forget Mocking accent publicly can be taken as a racist joke which is far more serious than what Symonds said.

He mimmicked exactly what Ishant said to Hayden. It's not as if he made something up and went out of his way to be racist.

 

[Shri]

Fail? Failed what? I was putting my 2 cents in, not trying to prove anything you goose.

As Matt79 said, there is a difference. Hayden was having a joke whilst Symonds flatout insulted McCullum.

Had it been directed at any other country other then India then nothing more would've been made of it.

Yes you were trying to prove that no player from any country other than India would have reacted to it. And I replied to your post.

 

[Sanz]

He mimmicked exactly what Ishant said to Hayden. It's not as if he made something up and went out of his way to be racist.

The problem was not with 'what' Hayden said but with 'how' it was said. Making fun of someone's accent can be considered racist.

Not saying Hayden was being one but let's just put it this way, It was not Hayden's brightest moment and as a big fan of Hayden, who has followed his career with great interest and enjoys his cricket a lot, I was disappointed.

 

[Richard]

Making fun of someone's accent can be considered racist.

Only if the impersonated is of a different race to the impersonator.

A ****ney making fun of a Geordie accent wouldn't be racist.

I'd say making fun of an accent is simply deplorable. It's often going to be xenophobic, but it's never really possible to accurately term it racist.

 

[honestbharani]

Definitely agree with a lot of this. A hell of a lot. Sree is 50 times worse than Hayden.

But you cannot just wash away his radio comments. I'm not sure he even properly apologised for it?

It was a low act, and he played to exactly what the radio DJs wanted. I.e. making fun of Ishant, and playing on the accent.

Hayden can cook all the curries he want, but that was something that pissed a lot of people off. You can argue you'd expect better from a seasoned intl cricketer who had been to India twice at that stage, and new the cultural sensitivity in cricket relations. Yet he still acted like a douche.

Don't forget... His gem in the 2004 tour of India to Australia..



"Someone like VVS Laxman is scared of fast bowling"...




Trust me, Sanz and Jono... Hayden is just as much of a dick as Sreesanth is when it comes to playing against India...




But yeah, overall, he is better than Sreesanth but in head to head matches, I know what I am talking about. I have watched and/or followed reports of almost every match the guy has played since 2001...

 

[honestbharani]

Well insults happen. When did we become so precious that insults could no longer be tolerated?

when insults are made through media of international sportsmen by fellow international sportsmen who are supposed to set behave decently, it does become precious...



Don tell me you wanna see the day when every other player is calling each other names in radio, TV and internet.....



These men get paid huge amounts to do a job that most people would love to do and these responsibilities come as part of that... You don't fulfill it, you don't deserve all the good stuff either.

 

[honestbharani]

Completely Agree with what you have said, the only point I was making is Hayden's act , as bad as it looked, was an exception (which he should be criticized for ) whereas in case of Sreesanth it is a norm.

My point is, it isn't the norm for Hayden when the opposition is India...



But I agree Sree behaves the same way regardless of who the opponent is.



Heck, he even committed the biggest sin in Indian cricket... sledging Sachin..

 

[honestbharani]

He mimmicked exactly what Ishant said to Hayden. It's not as if he made something up and went out of his way to be racist.

So he doesn't have to "go out of his way" to be racist?


Implying he already is?

 

[Sanz]

Only if the impersonated is of a different race to the impersonator.

A ****ney making fun of a Geordie accent wouldn't be racist.

I'd say making fun of an accent is simply deplorable. It's often going to be xenophobic, but it's never really possible to accurately term it racist.

I am not sure If I understood anything written above.

 

[Richard]

That's your problem if not - it makes perfect sense.

 

[Migara]

Hayden is an angel. No on should question his integrity. End of the dscussion.