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I hate Sreesanth

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Lol, I quoted this a bit earlier here. But I think it is not something like picking a fight with a random barman or going fishing during the team meeting. It is not even comparable to capsizing a pedalo pitch drunk on the eve of a World Cup match. While I find it cheap, his attitude is no different from 70% of yuppies out there who mistakes overconfidence in oneself for attitude.
He already picked a fight with a captain Yuvraj Singh, was invloved in slapgate last year, hardly liked by anyone in the Indian team which you just seem to ignore as on-field issues.

He has issues off the field too and basically he is just weird and I dont think any amount of defence by you is going to change people's mind about him and rightly so.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Haha. Playing the hard to get. What a loser.
wooooosh

edit, just to clarify, the post was edited after i made this post, interesting that as i was welcomed to the ignore bin yesterday.
 
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Pheobe

Banned
He already picked a fight with a captain Yuvraj Singh, was invloved in slapgate last year, hardly liked by anyone in the Indian team which you just seem to ignore as on-field issues.

He has issues off the field too and basically he is just weird and I dont think any amount of defence by you is going to change people's mind about him and rightly so.
I am not his counsel for god's sake. And I firmly believe he should nowhere be near the national colors without sorting his mind out. I can understand the rationale behind the dislike for him. However to say random stuff like "He reeks of smut in off-field life" just to add spice to the hate with absurd stories like the above, even though entertaining, is a bit unfair on the guy.
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
His run of scores in that series were :

0, 13, 0, 29, 83, 16*, 16, 77. He got one bad decision. But I am sure he got favorable decisions earlier in his career so that's unimportant. Coming of injuries is no excuse, as when you are selected for a test match, you are supposed to perform at your best.

Oh and the subsequent flow of scores were

8, 0, 24, 12, 4, 8, 23, 31, 39. Surely that should have diluted his pride a bit.
He got two poor decisions in the first Test. The LBW decision in the first Test was missing leg stump by a foot. His gotten plenty of poor & good decisions in his career, so don't try twisting it the wrong way. Realistically, Hayden only failed once during the Indian tour and look fairly comfortable in all of his digs, when he wasn't recieving poor umpiring decisions.
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
I lost any sembelance (sp?) of respect for him when he ran through the crease and bowled at Pietersen like a complete idiot. It could have been very nasty.
 

Pheobe

Banned
He got two poor decisions in the first Test. The LBW decision in the first Test was missing leg stump by a foot. His gotten plenty of poor & good decisions in his career, so don't try twisting it the wrong way. Realistically, Hayden only failed once during the Indian tour and look fairly comfortable in all of his digs, when he wasn't recieving poor umpiring decisions.
So you reckon he'd have gone out and hit 100s each of those two times he was roughened by the umpires?

Hayden failed 5 times in that series, no less, unless you begin to consider scores of 16, 13, 29 etc as successes. He made two scores above 50, one on a placid pitch and another when he literally had no choice but to go for the attack.

And what about his horrific series against NZ and SA?
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
So you reckon he'd have gone out and hit 100s each of those two times he was roughened by the umpires?

Hayden failed 5 times in that series, no less, unless you begin to consider scores of 16, 13, 29 etc as successes. He made two scores above 50, one on a placid pitch and another when he literally had no choice but to go for the attack.

And what about his horrific series against NZ and SA?
His downfall contributed from a combination of coming back too early from ankle surgery, about 4 poor umpiring decisions, acouple of runouts and too many loose strokes - Not being outdone by the bowling.

It got the point where things were completely not going his way which saw insecurity creep into his game, due to feeling the pressure because he hadn't made a score in awhile. He was still hitting the ball beautifully and had he missed the Indian series and gone back to domestic cricket following coming back from injury and then started from the New Zealand series then things could've been completely different - His form in the IPL is an example of this.
 

Pheobe

Banned
His downfall contributed from a combination of coming back too early from ankle surgery, about 4 poor umpiring decisions, acouple of runouts and too many loose strokes - Not being outdone by the bowling.

It got the point where things were completely not going his way which saw insecurity creep into his game, due to feeling the pressure because he hadn't made a score in awhile. He was still hitting the ball beautifully and had he missed the Indian series and gone back to domestic cricket following coming back from injury and then started from the New Zealand series then things could've been completely different - His form in the IPL is an example of this.
Lol, your defence of Hayden borders on the average Indian fan's Tendulkar worship. Such blind idolization never encourage honest cricketing discussions, so I leave where you are comfortable. Not only you just doubled the alleged no. of bad umpiring decisions, but you are attributing reasons like good bowling, bad shots, bad stars etc, which means only one thing, that the batsman was not upto it.

Also I believe playing for IPL at no pressure is not even remotely comparable to playing in the baggy greens in tests?
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
Lol, your defence of Hayden borders on the average Indian fan's Tendulkar worship. Such blind idolization never encourage honest cricketing discussions, so I leave where you are comfortable. Not only you just doubled the alleged no. of bad umpiring decisions, but you are attributing reasons like good bowling, bad shots, bad stars etc, which means only one thing, that the batsman was not upto it.

Also I believe playing for IPL at no pressure is not even remotely comparable to playing in the baggy greens in tests?
Classic sign of defeat. You know I'm right, so you put it down to biasedness. Nice try, but it's not going to work. Next time, try responding to what I'm saying before you decide to cook an arguement. I never attributed good bowling, I said Hayden was playing loosely due to the built up pressure, which was triggered by a great amount of badluck over the past few months.
 

Pheobe

Banned
Classic sign of defeat. You know I'm right, so you put it down to biasedness. Nice try, but it's not going to work. Next time, try responding to what I'm saying before you decide to cook an arguement. I never attributed good bowling, I said Hayden was playing loosely due to the built up pressure, which was triggered by a great amount of badluck over the past few months.
:laugh: Internet is serious business. Oh and where do I sign the deed of surrender?

383 runs in 17 innings across 9 test matches at 23.93 with 2 50s and 3 ducks. That's his stats since he bigmouthed.

And if these failures were despite bad bowling, sorry, but it puts all more shmuck on your idol's face. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going, the rest retire.
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
:laugh: Internet is serious business. Oh and where do I sign the deed of surrender?

383 runs in 17 innings across 9 test matches at 23.93 with 2 50s and 3 ducks. That's his stats since he bigmouthed.

And if these failures were despite bad bowling, sorry, but it puts all more shmuck on your idol's face. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going, the rest retire.
Already answered this.

His downfall contributed from a combination of coming back too early from ankle surgery, about 4 poor umpiring decisions, acouple of runouts and too many loose strokes - Not being outdone by the bowling.

It got the point where things were completely not going his way which saw insecurity creep into his game, due to feeling the pressure because he hadn't made a score in awhile. He was still hitting the ball beautifully and had he missed the Indian series and gone back to domestic cricket following coming back from injury and then started from the New Zealand series then things could've been completely different - His form in the IPL is an example of this.

If you actually watched his downfall and not relied on stats then you'd realise, because what I just said is exactly what happened.
 

Pheobe

Banned
Already answered this.

His downfall contributed from a combination of coming back too early from ankle surgery, about 4 poor umpiring decisions, acouple of runouts and too many loose strokes - Not being outdone by the bowling.

It got the point where things were completely not going his way which saw insecurity creep into his game, due to feeling the pressure because he hadn't made a score in awhile. He was still hitting the ball beautifully and had he missed the Indian series and gone back to domestic cricket following coming back from injury and then started from the New Zealand series then things could've been completely different - His form in the IPL is an example of this.

If you actually watched his downfall and not relied on stats then you'd realise, because what I just said is exactly what happened.
All these add up to one word : Incompetence. Shame the Australian selectors or Ricky Ponting or the millions out there commenting did not realise the truth that you did.
 

wfdu_ben91

International 12th Man
All these add up to one word : Incompetence. Shame the Australian selectors or Ricky Ponting or the millions out there commenting did not realise the truth that you did.
Yeah, that's why the persisted with him for so long. :blink:
 

Evermind

International Debutant
His downfall contributed from a combination of coming back too early from ankle surgery, about 4 poor umpiring decisions, acouple of runouts and too many loose strokes - Not being outdone by the bowling.
Hmm...you could excuse Mark Ramprakash with these too.
 

oitoitoi

State Vice-Captain
look hayden had a great career, but he tailed off markedly towards the end as he slowed a bit with age. He always liked to give the opposition a word or 2 but he was wrong to say what he did, symonds was basically stitched up when he called Mccullum a **** but he still got in heaps of trouble, hayden got away with it because he's hayden, but being hayden (a player of such stature) he should have tried to set a better example in his behaviour.
 

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