How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[subshakerz]

It also means that better bowlers, suited to those conditions, would take more wickets. I'd back our bowlers to dismiss the opposition more often/quickly on such tracks!

Under that logic, Aus and WI should never have won in India previously. But they did.

 

[Socerer 01]

They are playing in India though. Cricket is all about conditions

I think Aus would fare better with Warne and McGill

yeah thats why i said it would be 2-1 or 2-2 for Australia with my only doubt about that Australia team being they may not have faced a combined spin and pace bowling attack during that time period

 

[Socerer 01]

Under that logic, Aus and WI should never have won in India previously. But they did.

yes because those teams werent as good you dingus

 

[R!TTER]

Cummins is definitely better than anyone bar McGrath in the last 30+ years, the rest are hard to gauge because pitches in Oz were absolutely flat in 2k's even till say 2015 India tour down under. They had no DRS back then so Lee/Gillespie's numbers suffered a bit.

Under that logic, Aus and WI should never have won in India previously. But they did.

We've had our best ever bowling attack in this period, our best WK/bat & the best lower order batters as well. If you take out catching this team would probably beat any other Indian team in these conditions as well.

 

[subshakerz]

I think Aus would fare better with Warne and McGill

I have been arguing the same.

 

[Sunil1z]

How do you suppose they'll get the wickets?

Dry up the runs by bowling tight lines and inducing false shots . Similar to what Aussie pace attack does in Aus . If you dry up the runs , wickets will fall ultimately except Pujara maybe .

 

[Xix2565]

Under that logic, Aus and WI should never have won in India previously. But they did.

When they won they had the better bowlers ffs. Are you deliberately this dumb, R!TTER made a perfectly sensible point and you're in tangles trying to be an idiot about what is basic cricketing logic.

 

[subshakerz]

so why have fast bowlers like Cummins or Rabada not won series for their teams then? they may not be comparable in stature and skill to Marshall but they’re not **** either

Marshall, Holding and Roberts have pretty decent SC samples to suggest they would be threats.

 

[subshakerz]

Dry up the runs by bowling tight lines and inducing false shots . Similar to what Aussie pace attack does in Aus . If you dry up the runs , wickets will fall ultimately except Pujara maybe .

Yes. Gillespie and McGrath won in 2004/5 that way.

 

[Xix2565]

Dry up the runs by bowling tight lines and inducing false shots . Similar to what Aussie pace attack does in Aus . If you dry up the runs , wickets will fall ultimately except Pujara maybe .

In Australia you have bounce and carry generally that isn't as present in India. You can still bowl dry in India, but it's not going to be that successful with pace overall since it's far more exhausting in general when you don't have much support from the pitches. Australia needed conducive pitches to be successful and weren't far off not winning the series all things considered, and that was an ATG side vs a weaker Indian side missing players here and there.

 

[R!TTER]

Yes. Gillespie and McGrath won in 2004/5 that way.

And they likely wouldn't today because - IPL

 

[Socerer 01]

Marshall, Holding and Roberts have pretty decent SC samples to suggest they would be threats.

yeah because they were bowling to the SC teams of that time

as much as we all meme on India’s batting woes atm or their susceptibility to spin they were ****ing good batsmen at their peak

 

[Socerer 01]

Dry up the runs by bowling tight lines and inducing false shots . Similar to what Aussie pace attack does in Aus . If you dry up the runs , wickets will fall ultimately except Pujara maybe .

what does what the Aussie pace attack do in Aus have to do with bowling in India

and if its supposed to work why havent the Aussie pace attack done that and been successful in India now?

 

[subshakerz]

yeah because they were bowling to the SC teams of that time

as much as we all meme on India’s batting woes atm or their susceptibility to spin they were ****ing good batsmen at their peak

Wow so Marshall, Roberts and Holding are not even threat level to you in SC. Got it.

 

[subshakerz]

And they likely wouldn't today because - IPL

IPL will mean McGrath/Gillespie are more not less of a threat.

I have yet to see any evidence provided by the other side btw that Kohli et al are more equipped against Warne/MacGill than their opponents.

 

[Socerer 01]

Have Kohli's India faced any bowling lineup approaching the quality of WI and Aus? No.

this is the type of ridiculous strawman that keeps snuck in and after a page or two of repeated determined posting is accepted as gospel

Kohli’s India have faced

the best South African pace attack to have ever played cricket together internationally and a good spinner to support them on the spiced up pitches of 2018

the best Australian pace trio and a good spinner in support on 2 tours and at home

the best Kiwi bowling attack

an atg spinner from Sri Lanka

Bangladesh’s best bowling attack

an atg England pace bowler and his able atvg bowling partner together who are one of the best opening bowling pairs in test history

but yeah sure, they havent faced anyone approaching the quality of those sides

 

[Socerer 01]

Wow so Marshall, Roberts and Holding are not even threat level to you in SC. Got it.

yeah because i totally said they were not even threat level

back to strawmans it is for you huh when your myths have been busted and your trolls have been exposed? keep at it

 

[Sunil1z]

what does what the Aussie pace attack do in Aus have to do with bowling in India

and if its supposed to work why havent the Aussie pace attack done that and been successful in India now?

If Bumrah, Umesh and Shami can be highly successful in IND so can WI of 80s or Aus of 99-07 .

 

[Gob]

Dry up the runs by bowling tight lines and inducing false shots . Similar to what Aussie pace attack does in Aus . If you dry up the runs , wickets will fall ultimately except Pujara maybe .

Waiting for a batsman's mistake is not the ideal blue print of winning games

All I'm saying is that when Larry Gomez is your front line spinner, it'll always be an uphill battle to beat, what is statistically at least, the greatest home team of all time and their strength is spin. Cricket is a condition based game so no matter how good you are, if the conditions are against you, it'll cripple you. I mean would a bowling attack of Warne, Murali, O'Reilly, Ashwin and Ben Stokes would win you a game against a strong home Australian side at the old Perth ground? I'd say no and that is the spinning equivalent of WI attack

Reverse swing is the only way for sustainable success and someone from that WI attack would have to generate it

 

[Socerer 01]

If Bumrah, Umesh and Shami can be highly successful in IND so can WI of 80s or Aus of 99-07 .

oh my ****ing god how do you keep ignoring that Bumrah and co have Ashwin and Jadeja for support as spinners and that West Indies team have no one barring Roger Harper who they may not even play because they were too alpha to????

at this point i cant argue with you since you just keep going in circles and random tangents and shifting goalposts