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Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
btw, i came across an anti-racist web site with various racist symbols

i saw this as one of the racist symbols



so, if anyone is going to make that^ sign, it's goin to be racist and thus criminal

by the order of the so-called anti racists of the world :p

8-)
Ret.......... its the context in which the symbol is used. I dont think the symbol itself is racist as then all elevators would be racist for having this sign to indicate that the lift is going up.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
"How many Indians was I arguing with? Mate, I dunno - thousands?" he says. "But hearing those monkey chants in Mumbai, mate, it disgusted me. I'm the softest bloke in the world but there comes a point when you just can't walk away".
You don't really get what I am saying. I don't think he LITERALLY says he stood up to thousands, which is what you claimed. I think he just shouted over them :laugh: .

Kaz..........you are walking a tight line here.
What are you talking about? You're telling me just off seeing you can't distinguish between hundreds and thousands in a stadium?

I g2g to bed anyway. I'll reply tomorrow.
 

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
You don't really get what I am saying. I don't think he LITERALLY says he stood up to thousands, which is what you claimed. I think he just shouted over them :laugh: .
So he was exaggerating and now you are saying that the people chanting monkey were less than thousand??
At least be consistent in the figure you claim.

I still maintain that it was more like a section of 1 stand.

What are you talking about? You're telling me just off seeing you can't distinguish between hundreds and thousands in a stadium?
I g2g to bed anyway. I'll reply tomorrow.
Quit the insults kaz....it does not make your argument more intelligent.
 

ret

International Debutant
Ret.......... its the context in which the symbol is used. I dont think the symbol itself is racist as then all elevators would be racist for having this sign to indicate that the lift is going up.
thats ^ precisely, the point :) .... and also how harmless symbols have inappropriately been associated with negative things

i think it should be the monkeys who should be upset with all this
 

Engle

State Vice-Captain
Why do you think the utterance of racial epithets is far more newsworthy than that of dirty language ?
 

R_D

International Debutant
Again, it's Symonds' fault? He shouldn't have said that he considers being called a monkey racist. Because then it made the Indian fans call him a monkey. And he should be an Angel, because he will then just cause Harbhajan to call him the very same racist insult.

Bad Symo, Bad Boy.
Won't even say thing... for you and SST.. Australians can do no wrong so.. no point in dragging this thread out anyway.
Just one point.. personal abuse is considered just as bad as racism in some cultures.. maybe its the cultures that haven't had a lot of racism trouble.
 

R_D

International Debutant
You know what will hurt him even more? Killing him. Yes, Kill him because he is a bit of a wanker. Being racist as a group, hosting that player in your country...he should be so lucky.
Seriously i do hope Symmonds has some sense and stays low profile and with security while around India. He's pissd off quite a few people in India. i'm sorry to say but there are a lot of nutcases around India.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't think he actually claims to stand upto 10,000. He just claims he saw thousands chanting monkey insults. You ever been in a stadium? You can tell the difference between hundreds and thousands.
Hundreds and thousands are nice on bread with a light covering of butter.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Any controversy between Aus and India certainly brings all the tools out of the toolshed doesn't it!?
 

Turbinator

Cricketer Of The Year
Seriously i do hope Symmonds has some sense and stays low profile and with security while around India. He's pissd off quite a few people in India. i'm sorry to say but there are a lot of nutcases around India.
:laugh:
 

Top_Cat

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thats ^ precisely, the point :) .... and also how harmless symbols have inappropriately been associated with negative things

i think it should be the monkeys who should be upset with all this
Like the Nazi Swastika, for example? Yet no-one disputes that it's not on.

As for your site that you found with the arrow being used in that context, care to share the link? It's suspicious that you didn't.
 

Burgey

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At Customs House in Sydney, which as just been restored, the really old tiles on the floor have a pattern that is, seriously, identical to a Swastika. Went there for lunch recently - couldn't believe it when I saw it.
 

ret

International Debutant
Like the Nazi Swastika, for example? Yet no-one disputes that it's not on.

As for your site that you found with the arrow being used in that context, care to share the link? It's suspicious that you didn't.

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

^ thats the site of the previous image


PS whats were you suspicious of? .... you could hv just left clicked on the image and got the image's address and thus the sites duh
 
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Top_Cat

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http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp

^ thats the site

PS whats were you suspicious of? .... you could hv just left clicked on the image and got the image's address and thus the sites duh
Just because you took the image from that site, doesn't mean it was necessarily the one you were looking at. So many people say "I saw a site which blah blah blah...." to support their argument when no site exists, hence why I asked for it.

Still demonstrates the point that seemingly innocuous images/symbols are often appropriated for malicious purposes. Doesn't mean we should ignore either meaning/intention.
 

ret

International Debutant
Just because you took the image from that site, doesn't mean it was necessarily the one you were looking at. So many people say "I saw a site which blah blah blah...." to support their argument when no site exists, hence why I asked for it.

Still demonstrates the point that seemingly innocuous images/symbols are often appropriated for malicious purposes. Doesn't mean we should ignore either meaning/intention.
well, then you can continue to suspect .... i m not obliged to clear ur doubts, m I? :p .... btw, if you get the image's address by left clicking on it, usually, you can get the answer

the thing abt the Nazi symbol is that it was specially designed as the logo of the Nazi .... it was inspired by the Hindu holy symbol called Swastik, which you will find in many homes

a better example would be the Nazi Iron Eagle. the symbol has an Eagle [as the name implies] on it but that does not mean that the Eagle becomes a symbol of hate .... thats the point that you missed .... calling someone an Eagle would not automatically imply hatered



Another good example is the number 88 .... it represents Heil Hitler




source: http://gbgm-umc.org/UMW/anti-hate/symbolsofhate.html

^ the source .... just in case, ur imagination turns wild
 
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legb4

Cricket Spectator
war

I would like to see Ishant armed with a gun and Bhajji grab a cricket stump and take on Slymmonds Hayden.

Thats all thats left in this tour to happen.

Then we could play for the Ashes of those that died !

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

Top_Cat

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well, then you can continue to suspect .... i m not obliged to clear ur doubts, m I? :p .... btw, if you get the image's address by left clicking on it, usually, you can get the answer
Not always the case. People use image search engines to look for specific images they're looking for and the source doesn't always follow the point they're making. Anyway......

a better example would be the Nazi Iron Eagle. the symbol has an Eagle [as the name implies] on it but that does not mean that the Eagle becomes a symbol of hate .... thats the point that you missed .... calling someone an Eagle would not automatically imply hatered
Of course not. But, you don't call some a Swastika, do you? Like the swastika, if shown in the same form as the hatred symbol, the reaction would be largely the same and the degree of offence caused would follow suit. The overall look of the symbol matters too; font, size, etc. If you just have an arrow pointing up, obviously that doesn't display anything more than an arrow pointing up (or might make you think of an elevator). However, if the symbol is used in the same form as the original hatred form, it's recognisable and so is imbued with meaning beyond it's prima facie appearance.

An example of how context also matters is the band 311, an alternative rock band from the 90's. Some people assumed their name referred to 3 x 11 (the 11th letter of the alphabet being k, hence 3 x K = KKK). Problem is that they're quite anti-racist so the glove didn't fit, so to speak. 311 in and of itself is just a number, in the hands of white supremacists it's meaning is as above, in the hands of the above band, well, they proferred all sorts of funny explanations to throw people off ('311' is the American Police's code designation for indecent exposure was one). The point, context as well as who is using the term/symbol matters. Our brains activate auditory, language, visual and other parts when we see letters, the central executive (frontal lobes) give context to them. Form, imbued meaning as well as literal meaning come to the party when people see such symbols. It's the same reason why sarcasm is so effective. Got access to a bunch of fMRI studies to prove it if you wish.

source: http://gbgm-umc.org/UMW/anti-hate/symbolsofhate.html

^ the source .... just in case, ur imagination turns wild
Whatever. You'be been on the forum all of 5 minutes, excuse me if there's a little healthy skepticism when you don't provide a link to some site you apparently saw. You provided the link, we all know you weren't trying to mislead, all is well and good. Thanks.
 

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