Shame you missed watching the NZ/Aust pool play match of '99. Was a ripper.Just rewatched the 99 Super Six highlights and the 03 WC Final highlights again. Good times.
Was he really though?Interesting. Against Australia Dhoni only batted at 4 three times and all three times India had over 150 on the board.
Batting 5 was a mix of coming in at 3-100 and 3-250. Made his ton coming in at 3-97 and his half ton coming in at 3-53.
Batting 6 his half centuries came at 4-87, 4-64, and 4-108. His century came at 4-74. For a #6 to make a significant contribution you would expect that there had been a bit of a collapse though.
As far as I can tell he never did too much of significance against McGrath, though he retired early in his career. Both of his tons though were against Johnson who was a very good ODI quick.
Overall Dhoni averaged 41 vs Australia and 35 against Australia in Australia which are both very good numbers but are way below his overall record.
Interestingly both of his tons were in games where India lost the toss and were sent in to bat.
He's played Australia 4 times in big tournaments - twice in the world cup and twice in the champion's trophy. He made scores of 7, 65 and 28. He did not bat the other time. I'm not sure too much can be made of those numbers.
2003 was a great game. Shane Bond had Australia 7-84 and still NZ managed to lose by 100 runs.Shame you missed watching the NZ/Aust pool play match of '99. Was a ripper.
These were some of his best knocks (apart from the WC final of course), all coming in very tough situations.For someone with as remarkable of a record as Dhoni I find it very difficult to recall any of his actual innings. I think that has more to do with the way he went about his business than anything else. Or it could be the "protecting his average" thing meaning he hid when the going got tough.
In that 2013 series, he absolutely was, inspite of bowling on absolute roads. Made Yuvraj and Raina look like absolute chumps with some of his short pitched bowling, however, Kohli played him very well. Then of course he went on to destroy England in the summer..Was he really though?
Yes he was. He won Australia the decider game of ODI series in 2007 as well as 2009 in IndiaWas he really though?
This means players like Dhoni and Bevan shouldn't be compared to top order batsman like Kohli or Ponting. Their roles are different.He's played Australia 4 times in big tournaments - twice in the world cup and twice in the champion's trophy. He made scores of 7, 65 and 28. He did not bat the other time. I'm not sure too much can be made of those numbers.
Great accomplishment, thatIn that 2013 series, he absolutely was, inspite of bowling on absolute roads. Made Yuvraj and Raina look like absolute chumps with some of his short pitched bowling, however, Kohli played him very well. Then of course he went on to destroy England in the summer..
Yeah, but those pitches were really complete flatbeds. To look threatening on those, even for brief spells against the likes of Raina/Yuvi was impressive. No other bowler from either side managed it.Great accomplishment, that![]()
But yeah that series in India in 2013 was where some people started noticing that Johnson was consistently troubling batsmen with his pace and looked very dangerous. IIRC he had some great spells in the ipl. Think an Indian CW poster at the time (maybe Cricaddict ) was convinced he had turned the corner and should be picked for the Ashes and got laughed at by most people here. One of the better calls I've seen from a CWer.
Periodic reminder that I advocated for Luke Butterworth (defensible tbf, what a hero) and Ben Cutting (holy **** dan of the past you absolute spud), amongst others, ahead of Johnson in that series.Great accomplishment, that![]()
But yeah that series in India in 2013 was where some people started noticing that Johnson was consistently troubling batsmen with his pace and looked very dangerous. IIRC he had some great spells in the ipl. Think an Indian CW poster at the time (maybe Cricaddict ) was convinced he had turned the corner and should be picked for the Ashes and got laughed at by most people here. One of the better calls I've seen from a CWer.
Interestingly, the three best chasers of all time - Bevan, Dhoni and Hussey all have world cup records well below their regular averages. All three have been involved in World Cup wins too.This means players like Dhoni and Bevan shouldn't be compared to top order batsman like Kohli or Ponting. Their roles are different.
And Gilchrist is as good ODI batsman as Dhoni despite the difference in their batting average. So if one picks either Dhoni or Gilchrist in ODI XI then there shouldn't be any problem.
Dhoni was terrible outside of Asia. Hussey was a better finisher than a chaser.Interestingly, the three best chasers of all time - Bevan, Dhoni and Hussey all have world cup records well below their regular averages. All three have been involved in World Cup wins too.
Good point. I think Kohli gets cut some slack because he has bossed it in the last few t20 world cups .Difficult to look past Kohli as best chaser. WC criticisms still apply to him.
He's bossed the CTs except for that nightmare game, averages 88.He hasn't really done it in ODI world cups and champions trophies to be fair.
you mean the last final?He's bossed the CTs except for that nightmare game, averages 88.