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Group D: Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
So does that mean their game/positions means they'll have more assists rather than more scores themselves?
The position/role all 3 play are good for scoring and assisting, one doesn't necessarily have an advantage over the other because of the way they play. It's not like comparing a midfielder and a forward where the forward has a distinct positional and tactical advantage playing where he does. The actual teams they play for is much more important in this comparison because of the quality of teammates (Real/Barca > Liverpool).
 
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sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Presumably the majority of these younger blokes will likely be the nucleus of the Euro squad, so from that POV you'd hope they will be better for the experience and kick on.

If England goes out, will Roy keep his job? And who's a likely replacement?
I reckon Roy is bulletproof. Has done more or less exactly what was asked of him: cut out the deadwood, picked a team of young and exciting players, had a good go at it, the team wasn't disgraced (or at least, hasn't been yet imo), expectation was low anyway.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So does that mean their game/positions means they'll have more assists rather than more scores themselves?
Well, as Ikki hints at there's not that much difference in actuality. Sledger tried to use a QB analogy in American football, but I think the closest is probably RB or WR, but with soccer they obviously overlap more. Messi and Ronaldo more R-b, and Suarez more WR. Yet as I say they do a lot of what each others do.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
If England keep Hodgson they're wasting this new generation. They have it in them to play an attractive and really technically sound football. Hodgson is the absolutely wrong manager for this. I hope for their sake the FA have a bit of vision.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I know we disagree on this and I don't mean to bring it up after the fact to score points, but this is why I really thought Cole should have gone. In the games under Hodgson featuring the same backline + Cole he had routinely covered up and sweeped for the two CBs who often go sleeping. Even with the great defensive record, it regularly appeared more like last-ditch defending than anything resembling a systematic and tactical plan. The '12 Euros are the best example.
Who knows I thought Baines had a decent game tonight, but it's hard to argue that we may have been improved with different personnel in defence.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If England keep Hodgson they're wasting this new generation. They have it in them to play an attractive and really technically sound football. Hodgson is the absolutely wrong manager for this. I hope for their sake the FA have a bit of vision.
Martinez would be absolutely perfect for England, not that he would be likely to take the job or anything.
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
Who knows I thought Baines had a decent game tonight, but it's hard to argue that we may have been improved with different personnel in defence.
I thought Baines was poor defensively tbh (was ok going forward in the second half) but then Cole has been poor for about four years so I doubt he would have made any difference.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes, I'm a bit conflicted about Roy turning out to be crap, on one hand it's good because he was only picked because he was English, and that seems a crap criteria. Yet it will get the most idiotic (the loudest) fans/pundits to tell us we'd have won it with 'arry.

I actually wish Redknapp had got the job and almost certainly been awful now.
 
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Furball

Evil Scotsman
Messi is better than Ronaldo but Ronaldo had a better season

Suarez arguably had a better season than both but was playing in a different league and not playing in Europe so for now sits below both. It could feasibly change if he guns it in the CL but for now he's about on par with Bale and Zlatan as the next best after those two, for me.
I must've missed Suarez breaking the CL record for scoring.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I thought Baines was poor defensively tbh (was ok going forward in the second half) but then Cole has been poor for about four years so I doubt he would have made any difference.
Yeah, I've pretty much given up on this argument, as I said to Ikki we just haven't defended well, so you can't really defend, which is good because it creates syncopation with our blokes.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Gotta say, even with everyone criticising England as a team, they were still better overall IMO. Uruguay had only 2 shots on goal (not much danger other than that really either) and scored 2 goals. That's the difference a player like Suarez makes.

EDIT: actually Cavani had a good chance.
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Ridiculous that Fucile just came on, and it wasn't for Pereira.
Yea, I don't understand why this is up to the player. The doc should have the medical authority there. If you keep it up to the player, of course they're going to want to stay. And worse, it'll perpetuate the stereotype that if you get a concussion, you should just 'tough it out'.
 
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sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Nah, the physio would have said "it's 50/50, let's see if he can run it off". If he had said "nah, you're done, off" that would have been that.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
I dunno, the doctor looked past Pereira and signaled to the bench to make a substitution, then Pereira went ape**** saying he wanted to keep playing and pretty much just ran back into position to go back on the pitch. Didn't seem like it was a "let's see if he can run it off" situation so much as "**** you, I'm playing".
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Fair dos, I didn't actually see the incident in question, but what I've described does happen fairly frequently. Small knocks and so on are things that can be "ran off" for the remainder of games much of the time.
 

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