Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
In 90s Kapil's ODI batting was in Viv Richards league.. Until Viv's retirement.
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Greatest ODI player?
- Thread starter Adorable Asshole
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_00_deathscar
International Regular
What the **** is this bullshit?
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Always here for a bit of Freddie love. If we’d taken white ball seriously when he was a player I suspect he would be a more serious candidate- which you kind of address but ultimately I understand why he gets overlooked.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
The stats say Viv
| Player | Span | Mat | Awards | Percentage of matches |
| IVA Richards (WI) | 1975-1991 | 187 | 31 | 17% |
| CG Greenidge (WI) | 1975-1991 | 128 | 20 | 16% |
| V Kohli (IND) | 2008-2023 | 275 | 38 | 14% |
| SR Tendulkar (IND) | 1989-2012 | 463 | 62 | 13% |
| MD Crowe (NZ) | 1982-1995 | 143 | 19 | 13% |
| Q de Kock (SA) | 2013-2023 | 140 | 17 | 12% |
| DA Warner (AUS) | 2009-2023 | 142 | 17 | 12% |
| AB de Villiers (Afr/SA) | 2005-2018 | 228 | 27 | 12% |
| Babar Azam (PAK) | 2015-2023 | 103 | 12 | 12% |
| JM Bairstow (ENG) | 2011-2022 | 95 | 11 | 12% |
| Saeed Anwar (PAK) | 1989-2003 | 247 | 28 | 11% |
| NJ Astle (NZ) | 1995-2007 | 223 | 25 | 11% |
| MJ Guptill (NZ) | 2009-2022 | 198 | 22 | 11% |
| L Klusener (SA) | 1996-2004 | 171 | 19 | 11% |
| GR Marsh (AUS) | 1986-1992 | 117 | 13 | 11% |
| ST Jayasuriya (Asia/SL) | 1989-2011 | 445 | 48 | 11% |
| AJ Lamb (ENG) | 1982-1992 | 122 | 13 | 11% |
| Shakib Al Hasan (BAN) | 2006-2023 | 235 | 25 | 11% |
| A Symonds (AUS) | 1998-2009 | 198 | 21 | 11% |
| DL Haynes (WI) | 1978-1994 | 238 | 25 | 11% |
| JJ Roy (ENG) | 2015-2023 | 116 | 12 | 10% |
| BC Lara (ICC/WI) | 1990-2007 | 299 | 30 | 10% |
| MA Starc (AUS) | 2010-2023 | 110 | 11 | 10% |
| SC Ganguly (Asia/IND) | 1992-2007 | 311 | 31 | 10% |
| HM Amla (SA) | 2008-2019 | 181 | 18 | 10% |
| A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) | 1999-2009 | 141 | 14 | 10% |
| JH Kallis (Afr/ICC/SA) | 1996-2014 | 328 | 32 | 10% |
| AC Gilchrist (AUS/ICC) | 1996-2008 | 287 | 28 | 10% |
| DM Jones (AUS) | 1984-1994 | 164 | 16 | 10% |
| PA de Silva (SL) | 1984-2003 | 308 | 30 | 10% |
| WJ Cronje (SA) | 1992-2000 | 188 | 18 | 10% |
| NS Sidhu (IND) | 1987-1998 | 136 | 13 | 10% |
| SD Hope (WI) | 2016-2023 | 118 | 11 | 9% |
| V Sehwag (Asia/ICC/IND) | 1999-2013 | 251 | 23 | 9% |
| Aamer Sohail (PAK) | 1990-2000 | 156 | 14 | 9% |
| SR Watson (AUS) | 2002-2015 | 190 | 17 | 9% |
| ME Trescothick (ENG) | 2000-2006 | 123 | 11 | 9% |
| A Ranatunga (SL) | 1982-1999 | 269 | 24 | 9% |
| Yuvraj Singh (Asia/IND) | 2000-2017 | 304 | 27 | 9% |
| HH Gibbs (SA) | 1996-2010 | 248 | 22 | 9% |
| GA Gooch (ENG) | 1976-1995 | 125 | 11 | 9% |
| Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) | 2003-2019 | 218 | 19 | 9% |
| RJ Hadlee (NZ) | 1973-1990 | 115 | 10 | 9% |
| G Kirsten (SA) | 1993-2003 | 185 | 16 | 9% |
| RG Sharma (IND) | 2007-2023 | 244 | 21 | 9% |
| ME Waugh (AUS) | 1988-2002 | 244 | 21 | 9% |
| RT Ponting (AUS/ICC) | 1995-2012 | 375 | 32 | 9% |
| PV Simmons (WI) | 1987-1999 | 143 | 12 | 8% |
| G Gambhir (IND) | 2003-2013 | 147 | 12 | 8% |
| Sikandar Raza (ZIM) | 2013-2023 | 136 | 11 | 8% |
| KS Williamson (NZ) | 2010-2023 | 161 | 13 | 8% |
| Shahid Afridi (Asia/ICC/PAK) | 1996-2015 | 398 | 32 | 8% |
| JC Buttler (ENG) | 2012-2023 | 165 | 13 | 8% |
| PR Stirling (IRE) | 2008-2023 | 154 | 12 | 8% |
| SPD Smith (AUS) | 2010-2023 | 142 | 11 | 8% |
| Javed Miandad (PAK) | 1975-1996 | 233 | 18 | 8% |
| KC Sangakkara (Asia/ICC/SL) | 2000-2015 | 404 | 31 | 8% |
| CH Gayle (ICC/WI) | 1999-2019 | 301 | 23 | 8% |
| TM Dilshan (SL) | 1999-2016 | 330 | 25 | 8% |
| K Srikkanth (IND) | 1981-1992 | 146 | 11 | 8% |
| MS Atapattu (SL) | 1990-2007 | 268 | 20 | 7% |
| Imran Khan (PAK) | 1974-1992 | 175 | 13 | 7% |
| KP Pietersen (ENG/ICC) | 2004-2013 | 136 | 10 | 7% |
| SM Pollock (Afr/ICC/SA) | 1996-2008 | 303 | 22 | 7% |
| NLTC Perera (SL) | 2009-2021 | 166 | 12 | 7% |
| LRPL Taylor (NZ) | 2006-2022 | 236 | 17 | 7% |
| PD Collingwood (ENG) | 2001-2011 | 197 | 14 | 7% |
| SC Williams (ZIM) | 2005-2023 | 156 | 11 | 7% |
| Abdul Razzaq (Asia/PAK) | 1996-2011 | 265 | 18 | 7% |
| B Lee (AUS) | 2000-2012 | 221 | 15 | 7% |
| RA Jadeja (IND) | 2009-2023 | 177 | 12 | 7% |
| MN Samuels (WI) | 2000-2018 | 207 | 14 | 7% |
| Tamim Iqbal (BAN) | 2007-2023 | 241 | 16 | 7% |
| RR Sarwan (WI) | 2000-2013 | 181 | 12 | 7% |
| Shoaib Malik (PAK) | 1999-2019 | 287 | 19 | 7% |
| CL Hooper (WI) | 1987-2003 | 227 | 15 | 7% |
| S Dhawan (IND) | 2010-2022 | 167 | 11 | 7% |
| JN Rhodes (SA) | 1992-2003 | 245 | 16 | 7% |
| Waqar Younis (PAK) | 1989-2003 | 262 | 17 | 6% |
| SR Waugh (AUS) | 1986-2002 | 325 | 21 | 6% |
| Inzamam-ul-Haq (Asia/PAK) | 1991-2007 | 378 | 24 | 6% |
| JE Root (ENG) | 2013-2022 | 158 | 10 | 6% |
| Mohammad Yousuf (Asia/PAK) | 1998-2010 | 288 | 18 | 6% |
| AR Border (AUS) | 1979-1994 | 273 | 17 | 6% |
| SK Warne (AUS/ICC) | 1993-2005 | 194 | 12 | 6% |
| Wasim Akram (PAK) | 1984-2003 | 356 | 22 | 6% |
| DJ Bravo (WI) | 2004-2014 | 164 | 10 | 6% |
| DC Boon (AUS) | 1984-1995 | 181 | 11 | 6% |
| SP Fleming (ICC/NZ) | 1994-2007 | 280 | 17 | 6% |
| EJG Morgan (ENG/IRE) | 2006-2022 | 248 | 15 | 6% |
| MS Dhoni (Asia/IND) | 2004-2019 | 350 | 21 | 6% |
| GD McGrath (AUS/ICC) | 1993-2007 | 250 | 15 | 6% |
| S Chanderpaul (WI) | 1994-2011 | 268 | 16 | 6% |
| MEK Hussey (AUS) | 2004-2012 | 185 | 11 | 6% |
| AJ Stewart (ENG) | 1989-2003 | 170 | 10 | 6% |
| Younis Khan (PAK) | 2000-2015 | 265 | 15 | 6% |
| Ijaz Ahmed (PAK) | 1986-2000 | 250 | 14 | 6% |
| Mashrafe Mortaza (Asia/BAN) | 2001-2020 | 220 | 12 | 5% |
| GW Flower (ZIM) | 1992-2010 | 221 | 12 | 5% |
| M Azharuddin (IND) | 1985-2000 | 334 | 18 | 5% |
| SB Styris (NZ) | 1999-2011 | 188 | 10 | 5% |
| SK Raina (IND) | 2005-2018 | 226 | 12 | 5% |
| MJ Clarke (AUS) | 2003-2015 | 245 | 13 | 5% |
| MG Bevan (AUS) | 1994-2004 | 232 | 12 | 5% |
| A Flower (ZIM) | 1992-2003 | 213 | 11 | 5% |
| WU Tharanga (Asia/SL) | 2005-2019 | 235 | 12 | 5% |
| A Jadeja (IND) | 1992-2000 | 196 | 10 | 5% |
| GC Smith (Afr/SA) | 2002-2013 | 197 | 10 | 5% |
| DPMD Jayawardene (Asia/SL) | 1998-2015 | 448 | 22 | 5% |
| N Kapil Dev (IND) | 1978-1994 | 225 | 11 | 5% |
| DR Martyn (AUS) | 1992-2006 | 208 | 10 | 5% |
| CL Cairns (ICC/NZ) | 1991-2006 | 215 | 10 | 5% |
| Saleem Malik (PAK) | 1982-1999 | 283 | 13 | 5% |
| AD Mathews (SL) | 2008-2023 | 221 | 10 | 5% |
| RB Richardson (WI) | 1983-1996 | 224 | 10 | 4% |
| R Dravid (Asia/ICC/IND) | 1996-2011 | 344 | 14 | 4% |
| CZ Harris (NZ) | 1990-2004 | 250 | 10 | 4% |
| Mushfiqur Rahim (BAN) | 2006-2023 | 251 | 10 | 4% |
| DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) | 1997-2015 | 295 | 11 | 4% |
| M Muralidaran (Asia/ICC/SL) | 1993-2011 | 350 | 13 | 4% |
| WPUJC Vaas (Asia/SL) | 1994-2008 | 322 | 11 | 3% |
The Sean
Cricketer Of The Year
Viv's greatness aside, a few other observations here:
- ODI cricket really is a batsman's game, isn't it? You've got to go a long way down that list before you start seeing the bowlers - Starc shines like a beacon being as high as he is.
- Gordon Greenidge, wow, I didn’t expect that. When he was good, he was exceptional.
- I know it has all been said before, but the sheer volume of Sachin's achievements is staggering.
- I bloody love a list that has blokes who aren't the usual suspects in such high positions - great to see the likes of Guptil, Marsh and Lamb mixing it with the greats.
Adorable Asshole
International Regular
This only proves that ODI cricket has a batriarchy problem.
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
I gotta say that this ranking system can only be the biggest load of tripe imaginable. What's the method that creates the order of that list?
Could give many examples here but just look at Geoff Marsh for instance. He had an ODI strike rate of 55.9. Honestly that's ****ing hopeless.
There's literally tons of players below him who were classes and classes above him.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
I guess that's why it's "player of the match", not "player of the match also taking into consideration their career achievements and statistics"
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
1.Viv
2. Greenidge
And Attappattu > Bevan, Dhoni, Akram.. Etc
Btw
Team strength is a major advantage in this case. Mostly award is given to winning team.
Sachin is at a disadvantage there.. Also he played for almost 25 yrs wont help either.
Socerer 01
International Captain
thats a bit harsh on Marsh
56 isnt great but from 1985-1992 when Marsh played international cricket openers in odis had a strike rate of 60 on average so Marsh was under par but the overall average was 31.75 where as for Marsh it is just .03 off 40. he was also the 3rd highest run scorer in the 1987 world cup
ashley bach
Cricketer Of The Year
Fair points you make here mate. Watched him as a player his entire career and he was very very good.
Not trying to have a crack at him in any way but we are talking about the ATG list here. Whichever way you look at it and break it down, he simply
wasn't the 15th best player of all time, not even close.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
1971 to 1996 WC
2nd best strike rate for an Opener was 78 or something ( Jayasuriya or Anwar )
Only Sachin managed above 80 ( 49 avg at 94 SR iirc)
Jacob Boris
Cricket Spectator
A guy with 13000+ ODI runs and 300+ wickets, with a World Cup, Champions Trophy and Asia Cup in his bag. I think people are underrating Sanath Jayasuria
Not that I want to disagree with a list with Viv on top, but those awards favour top order bats to a completely disproportionate degree. Look how far down you need to go to hit someone who is not a top order bat, and how much further you need to go to hit a specialist bowler.