Greatest ODI player?

[Prince EWS]

Yeah but a lot of ODIs in the 2000s were low stake meaningless affairs. Did they shows up in tournaments? Raw stats can be misleading.

More recently I think JAMODIs are a joke. During Flintoff/Pollock's career they were serious tournaments with mostly full strength sides with a few exceptions.

I think cricket is too high variance to read so much into one tournament every four years when we don't have to. More recently - yes absolutely I will do that, especially for batsmen given how often bowlers are rested. JAMODIs and WC ODIs are basically entirely different levels - not because of 'clutch' but because of the quality of the opposition. I do think Martin Guptill is total fraud to give one example, and Hashim Amla is up there on this front too.

On Pollock/Flintoff - I could be swayed a little bit if their personal WC records were also actually ****. (I haven't actually checked - please show me if they were!) But I'm not going to punish them for their teammates being crap or losing one off games.

 

[subshakerz]

More recently I think JAMODIs are a joke. During Flintoff/Pollock's career they were serious tournaments with mostly full strength sides with a few exceptions.

I think cricket is too high variance to read so much into one tournament every four years when we don't have to. More recently - yes absolutely I will do that, especially for batsmen given how often bowlers are rested. JAMODIs and WC ODIs are basically entirely different levels - not because of 'clutch' but because of the quality of the opposition. I do think Martin Guptill is total fraud to give one example, and Hashim Amla is up there on this front too.

On Pollock/Flintoff - I could be swayed a little bit if their personal WC records were also actually ****. (I haven't actually checked - please show me if they were!) But I'm not going to punish them for their teammates being crap or losing one off games.

Flintoff was poor in batting and ok with bowling, playing mostly against minnows and no real knockout game. Pollock is poor.

 

[Bolo.]

More recently I think JAMODIs are a joke. During Flintoff/Pollock's career they were serious tournaments with mostly full strength sides with a few exceptions.

I think cricket is too high variance to read so much into one tournament every four years when we don't have to. More recently - yes absolutely I will do that, especially for batsmen given how often bowlers are rested. JAMODIs and WC ODIs are basically entirely different levels - not because of 'clutch' but because of the quality of the opposition. I do think Martin Guptill is total fraud to give one example, and Hashim Amla is up there on this front too.

On Pollock/Flintoff - I could be swayed a little bit if their personal WC records were also actually ****. (I haven't actually checked - please show me if they were!) But I'm not going to punish them for their teammates being crap or losing one off games.

I actually voted Flintoff when this was in the main thread. Not Cos I think he should be considered the best ODI player ever, but cos he was absolutely outstanding, we were told to not take the thread seriously, and he was the one player who I thought was sure not to get any love.

And here we are.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Come on guys, we all know its Viv. The fact that he has 100 plus wickets to add to his batting and fielding just seals the deal.

He was more of a proper allrounder than Sachin, and best all round fielder of his era. After him I’d go:
Sachin/Wasim
Mcgrath
Murali
Garner
MSD(cause of his captaincy and a case for top 6 of all time ODI batsmen)
Pollock
Kohli/ABD

 

[CricAddict]

Wow ha ha ha ha ha when I voted for Viv, I didn't expect to see such a sweeping result for him.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

The most notable thing I remember from Flintoff's ODI career was falling off the pedalo.
Under pressure in the biggest game of his career he got destroyed by Jacob Oram and Scott Styris.

I see he only averaged 18 with the bat in World Cups (and 23 with the ball to be fair).

I just checked and Bond got Flintoff out for a golden duck in that game.

 

[CricAddict]

The most notable thing I remember from Flintoff's ODI career was falling off the pedalo.
Under pressure in the biggest game of his career he got destroyed by Jacob Oram and Scott Styris.

Half the guys in that poll should not be there at all in the first place. The poll should only be between Viv, Sachin, Mcgrath, Murali, Imran, Akram and Hadlee

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Half the guys in that poll should not be there at all in the first place. The poll should only be between Viv, Sachin, Mcgrath, Murali, Imran, Akram and Hadlee

Kohli/ABD should be there, atleast above Hadlee and Imran. Kohli and ABD are a tier ahead in their primary discipline in ODIs. Also Kapil should be there.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Half the guys in that poll should not be there at all in the first place. The poll should only be between Viv, Sachin, Mcgrath, Murali, Imran, Akram and Hadlee

Kapil > Sachin in ODIs

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Half the guys in that poll should not be there at all in the first place. The poll should only be between Viv, Sachin, Mcgrath, Murali, Imran, Akram and Hadlee

Plus Bevan, Kapil, Dhoni, Gilchrist, Pollock, AB, Kohli, and Garner imo

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Kapil > Sachin in ODIs

Sachin is clearly ahead in his primary discipline(top 2 ODI batter). Kapil doesn’t make top 7-8 ODI bowlers even

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

So that makes me rank Sachin ahead. Roughly the same logic as choosing Mcgrath over Kallis in tests

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Sachin is clearly ahead in his primary discipline(top 2 ODI batter). Kapil doesn’t make top 7-8 ODI bowlers even

No he is like 4th after Viv, Kohli and ABD.

 

[CricAddict]

Kapil > Sachin in ODIs

That's blasphemy. Sachin in ODIs was a beast. One of the first few who combined batting at an aggressive pace with batting long and sustained it throughout his career. Kapil's bowling while being very good was nowhere close to Sachin's batting.

Kapil's batting edges out Sachin's bowling, but not by that high a margin as one thinks. Sachin's bowling potential got completely cut off by the shoulder injury. He was a decent 6th bowler for India till that point.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

That's blasphemy. Sachin in ODIs was a beast. One of the first few who combined batting at an aggressive pace with batting long and sustained it throughout his career. Kapil's bowling while being very good was nowhere close to Sachin's batting.

Kapil's batting edges out Sachin's bowling, but not by that high a margin as one thinks. Sachin's bowling potential got completely cut off by the shoulder injury. He was a decent 6th bowler for India till that point.

Also transcended eras while batting

 

[Adorable Asshole]

That's blasphemy. Sachin in ODIs was a beast. One of the first few who combined batting at an aggressive pace with batting long and sustained it throughout his career. Kapil's bowling while being very good was nowhere close to Sachin's batting.

Kapil's batting edges out Sachin's bowling, but not by that high a margin as one thinks. Sachin's bowling potential got completely cut off by the shoulder injury. He was a decent 6th bowler for India till that point.

If it is then we need more blasphemy.

And no Kapil batting doesn't edges out Sachin's bowling. It's significantly better than it. Kapil is an ideal no.7 which team needs when they have 10 overs to go.

Plus his fielding is far better than Sachin's fielding and probably more important to the team than Sachin's bowling.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Hansie was a quality captain and a very handy part-time bowler, but what is he doing on that list when he wouldn't make an all-time Saffa team

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

If it is then we need more blasphemy.

And no Kapil batting doesn't edges out Sachin's bowling. It's significantly better than it. Kapil is an ideal no.7 which team needs when they have 10 overs to go.

Plus his fielding is far better than Sachin's fielding and probably more important to the team than Sachin's bowling.

Kapil is nowhere as high amongst the greatest ODI bowlers as Sachin is amongst the greatest batters. Mcgrath, Murali, Wasim, Waqar, Garner, Lee, Starc, Saqlain, Hadlee are clearly better

 

[Coronis]

Jonty Rhodes.

 

[CricAddict]

If it is then we need more blasphemy.

And no Kapil batting doesn't edges out Sachin's bowling. It's significantly better than it. Kapil is an ideal no.7 which team needs when they have 10 overs to go.

Plus his fielding is far better than Sachin's fielding and probably more important to the team than Sachin's bowling.

I love Kapil and my admiration for him only grew further after watching 83 movie. But he averages 23 even including 40 not outs in 225 innings with one big not out century too. That is almost Afridi level with bat and definitely not an ideal no.7. A very good no.7 though. An ideal no.7 is Lance Klusenar who averages 40 plus with bat at a great strike rate and can also bowl 10 overs.