Pap Finn Keighl
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Sanga 42 AVG at 79 SR
Not even good enough to compare with Jayasurya or De Silva let alone Brian Lara.
McGrath, Waqar , Lee ..etc > Malinga
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Greatest All Time ODI XI
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Not even good enough to compare with Jayasurya or De Silva let alone Brian Lara.
McGrath, Waqar , Lee ..etc > Malinga
Umm, why not?
Sanga has tonnes more runs in ODIs than Lara (14234 vs10405), has a much better avg than Lara in ODIs (42 vs 40.5), has only a slightly worse S/R than Lara (79.5 vs 78.9), has more 100s than Lara (25 vs 19).
Its all well and good praising Lara, but atleast bother to compare their records before making sweeping statements like Sanga is not good enough to compare to Lara. He has more runs, better avg and mre 100s than Lara in ODIs. What else does the guy have to do? This ostrich approach to Lara worshipping is getting silly now.
srbhkshk
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Sanga played in the better era for Batsman, Lara was the #1 ranked ODI batsman for a long stretch of time in the 90s. Nothing wrong in saying Lara was better.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
You are right.
Another example is Dhawan Vs Viv
Viv 40.2 runs per match at 90 strike rate
Dhawan 42.5 runs per match at 94 SR
Viv 11 centuries in 190 matches
Dhawan 17 centuries in 130 matches.
Dhawan and Sanga better than Viv and Lara.
Look I like Lara and I think he is the best test batsman of his era (yes better than Tendulkar, but slightly). However, as ODIs go I think Sanga and Lara is definitely not a sweeping settled issue. Sanga's record in everyway is better than lara's in ODIs. So to say that its not even a debate is silly.
As for Viv, let us be honest ODIs were a new thing in his era. He played a lot of them, but people were still figuring it out. That same thing can't be said for Lara.
As for Viv, let us be honest ODIs were a new thing in his era. He played a lot of them, but people were still figuring it out. That same thing can't be said for Lara.
harsh.ag
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You can claim that, no problem, but most here are not going to take it seriously because of era adjustment.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
Lara is a 45 AVG 90 SR batsman for Sanga Era
Ifs and buts...
Burgey
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You have an AT XI with one player (and he as an alternative only) from a side which has won five WCs and which went over a decade without losing a match in the biggest tournament there is? Itstl
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Half the folks on this site will only include McGrath in their AT ODI XIs.
Typical CW ODI XI:
Tendulkar
Jayasuriya
Richards
Kohli
De Villiers
Dhoni
Klusener
Akram
Garner
Murali
McGrath
bagapath
International Captain
If one were to build an all time ODI team I would start with four match winning specialist bowlers
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali
My openers would be aggressive big match players; and a left-right combo is even better. So I am going for
Tendulkar
Gilchrist
The middle order practically selects itself. Three of the best ODI batsmen of all time are so far ahead of everyone else that their selection is child's play
Richards
Kohli
ABDV
Now for the last remaining spots... I need a good fifth bowler and a finisher.
the choices for the fifth bowler are
Imran
S.Pollock
Flintoff
Klusener
Shakib
Hadlee
For the finisher the choices are
Dhoni
Bevan
Hussey
Symonds
If the fifth bowler could bat then that would shorten the tail.
If the finisher can also be a sixth bowler (along with Richards and Tendulkar) that will always help.
I am going for Imran who could lead the side and Symonds who was also a terrific fielder
So the team is...
Tendulkar
Gilchrist (wk)
Richards
Kohli
ABDV
Symonds
Imran (C)
Akram
Garner
Murali
McGrath
Akram
Garner
McGrath
Murali
My openers would be aggressive big match players; and a left-right combo is even better. So I am going for
Tendulkar
Gilchrist
The middle order practically selects itself. Three of the best ODI batsmen of all time are so far ahead of everyone else that their selection is child's play
Richards
Kohli
ABDV
Now for the last remaining spots... I need a good fifth bowler and a finisher.
the choices for the fifth bowler are
Imran
S.Pollock
Flintoff
Klusener
Shakib
Hadlee
For the finisher the choices are
Dhoni
Bevan
Hussey
Symonds
If the fifth bowler could bat then that would shorten the tail.
If the finisher can also be a sixth bowler (along with Richards and Tendulkar) that will always help.
I am going for Imran who could lead the side and Symonds who was also a terrific fielder
So the team is...
Tendulkar
Gilchrist (wk)
Richards
Kohli
ABDV
Symonds
Imran (C)
Akram
Garner
Murali
McGrath
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This XI makes me dizzy. No Viv, ABDV batting too high, 4 Indians in the top 6.
ankitj
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I can get behind this except for Bevan in place of Symonds.
I have just come to realize how good Imran was in ODIs too. Somehow always thought his batting was laboriously slow but that's not true.
stephen
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
FWIW my ATXI is almost identical, with Imran being replaced by Bevan and shuffled up one spot and Warne instead of Murali. Garner-Murali-McGrath is just tempting fate imo. I can get 10 overs out of Viv and Symonds and even Bevan at a pinch. If I'm looking for bowling I'll drop Symonds and pick Klusener.
Bevan is the insurance policy that makes sure this side never loses.
I guess if I was picking a squad for playing the Martian XI I'd pick:
Tendulkar
Gilchrist (wk)
Richards
Kohli
De Villiers
Bevan
Klusener
Akram
Warne
Garner
McGrath
Murali (those Martian dust bowls could see him come in for Garner)
Symonds
Dhoni
Ponting (permanent 12th man, brought in to field a lot)
vcs
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I don't think the argument "not enough Australians in the all-time XI of a format they have won five WCs in" is as convincing as it sounds at first. Winning back-to-back-to-back shows that they were able to field a full team of era greats and ATGs with basically zero weakness, which other nations didn't have the luxury of. Their great players may have been overburdened with responsibility in the World Cups, or they may have had clear weaknesses in their squad costing them an important knockout game.
FWIW, I would have McGrath and Bevan as locks in my all-time ODI XI. Not including someone like Ponting doesn't mean I think he isn't an ATG, he's just competing for a position against guys like Richards and Kohli who are freakishly good.
FWIW, I would have McGrath and Bevan as locks in my all-time ODI XI. Not including someone like Ponting doesn't mean I think he isn't an ATG, he's just competing for a position against guys like Richards and Kohli who are freakishly good.
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The #7 needs to be a hitter who can strengthen the tail. With Imran, Flintoff and Shakib you'd have an overabundance of cake although you'd be looking at a bowling attack with no weak links. Symonds at 7 would be great but he'll concede 70 off his ten. Klusener+Bevan/Tendulkar/Richards would be fine IMO.
trundler
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Richards and De Villiers are both great icing-cake combos. Richards at 3 is indispensable, especially. Kohli isn't slow at all either. ABDV literally has the fastest 100 in ODIs. I'm very much questioning the value of Bevan in such a middle order. He's best used at 5 but then you'd be pushing AB too far down.