Graham Gooch vs Vernon Philander

[PlayerComparisons]

Run/wicket tally plays a massive role. I bet Jayawardene would comfortably win against like Crowe outside of CW. Same with Anderson vs Roberts.

 

[BazBall21]

His acclaim is down to a combination of volume, ploughing out a historically difficult role, and playing a leading role in iconic overseas victories. Not a problematic character too.

I don't rate Cook as highly as most because I don't think he was very good v quality bowling but respect his ability to set games up with daddy hundreds (dominated a series against each opponent except SAF) and his mammoth of runs in Asia. And he didn't totally go missing when his technique was exposed by quality attacks; he dug out contributions.

 

[Johan]

well it is reflective of the broader tolerance for mediocrity in English sporting culture (and many other aspects of English culture)

Sehwag < Boycott

 

[BazBall21]

How many great cricketers debuted for England after 1970?

 

[capt_Luffy]

How many great cricketers debuted for England after 1970?

ATG 3, English Great like a dozen.

 

[Johan]

ATG 3, English Great like a dozen.

Botham, Root and Anderson I'm guessing

 

[BazBall21]

Another advantage Cook has when it comes to stuff like that is he is a very popular figure whereas Pietersen's character polarises opinion a lot. The BBC shortlist was put together just months after Cook's retirement. Being so fresh in the memory likely broadened nostalgia etc.

I suspect KP is rated higher. I know a lot of people who still rate him over Root etc.

Gooch would still be my pick though.

 

[sayon basak]

Run/wicket tally plays a massive role. I bet Jayawardene would comfortably win against like Crowe outside of CW. Same with Anderson vs Roberts.

Outside of CW, Yuvraj Singh is rated higher than Jadeja.

 

[ma1978]

Outside of CW, Yuvraj Singh is rated higher than Jadeja.

for LO cricket he should be

 

[ma1978]

Run/wicket tally plays a massive role. I bet Jayawardene would comfortably win against like Crowe outside of CW. Same with Anderson vs Roberts.

none of these are unreasonable positions to take

 

[sayon basak]

for LO cricket he should be

none of these are unreasonable positions to take

 

[ma1978]

what is a man if not a hypocrite

 

[sayon basak]

what is a man if not a hypocrite

Guess saying Jayawardene comfortably winning against Crowe is reasonable is not hypocritical at all.

 

[Prince EWS]

When philander got conditions to his liking and powered up the bass cannon, he became unstoppable.

Yeah I'm very surprised Gooch is winning his. I think it's Philander and not close. He was a seriously gun #8 as well that should factor in to his rating as a cricketer - his batting average undersells him for the same real his bowling average flatters him.

 

[shortpitched713]

Gooch over Philander is a laughable take, for me.

Man had one great innings, and we can't stop riding his dick. Terrible analysis.

 

[sayon basak]

Gooch over Philander is a laughable take, for me.

Man had one great innings, and we can't stop riding his dick. Terrible analysis.

Gooch>Hayden

 

[Coronis]

Gooch over Philander is a laughable take, for me.

Man had one great innings, and we can't stop riding his dick. Terrible analysis.

Awful takes +1

 

[BazBall21]

Gooch is better in tough batting conditions than Philander in tough conditions for seamers

 

[DrWolverine]

How many great cricketers debuted for England after 1970?

Ian Botham and Joe Root

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gooch is better in tough batting conditions than Philander in tough conditions for seamers

Yeah he is. But in helpful conditions, Philander is Significantly better than Gooch imo. Also, an underrated bat.