Graeme Smith warns Panesar of racist abuse

[FRAZ]

I dont think everytime someone says ' Norway is liberal' or 'Australia is racist', they are talking about every single person in the country- more like what the cultural slant is, what the pulse of the nation is. To be honest, Australia does a racially backward nation - though by no means is it the only one.
Frankly, as far as racial superiorist mentality goes, i'd say America, Argentina and some of the gulf countries are just about worst of the lot.

I beg to differ C_C ! It depends really ! I think pre 911 America was THE best as far as their treatment with the minorities is concerned in the first world. I think that the metropolitan behavior of Canadian cities ioverall is the best now but their towns and villages might be even worse than the Australian places. I think that Australia and Newzealand are no worse than Pakistan and India. I have seen that there are approximately 10 million Afghanis (legal and illegal) in Pakistan and some times I feel that they are considered as the working class animals . But still Government and media will not say any thing against them and thats what matters because once some thing against them is televised or being backed by the government then it surely becomes a big issue .Such things create the painful individuals and may be those individuals don't claim themselves to be racists but do petty itsi bitsis and importance seeking stuff ,example:Hair....
That ****in dumb head mullah who mis represented some item was even covered by the media so in large plus the government officials did say things against him . And I don't think that ,the mullah should have been even given importance at this level and it may create a bad effect in the ordinary public.
After 9-11 and so and so , things have changed dramatically in UK but things are still under control (even though public has a lot against minorities) ,just because the government knows what is wrong and what is right and they just don't follow around the petty issues ..
It all depends upon the media coverage of an issue plus the government backing against the issue .
The way the American media behaved plus the government backing , is just plain ridiculous and I am afraid but the consequences will be severe . And I am only worried about the consequences because we (Canadians) depend a lot upon them ...
But over all I found American public very nice and way better than some of the European countrymen. The metropolises of sub-Continent are warm and friendly towards the foreigners but as you go to the border suburbs then the effects of illiteracy will show up . So over all we are all pretty much in hell no matter where we are because countries or boundaries have nothing to do with the basic knowledge and BRAIN ...

 

[Son Of Coco]

I dont think everytime someone says ' Norway is liberal' or 'Australia is racist', they are talking about every single person in the country- more like what the cultural slant is, what the pulse of the nation is. To be honest, Australia does a racially backward nation - though by no means is it the only one.
Frankly, as far as racial superiorist mentality goes, i'd say America, Argentina and some of the gulf countries are just about worst of the lot.

Personally, I'd put America at the top on 'racially backward' too, but I could be jumping the gun

 

[FRAZ]

Personally, I'd put America at the top on 'racially backward' too, but I could be jumping the gun

Their media is , but people overall are not !

 

[Son Of Coco]

Their media is , but people overall are not !

Fair enough, it's just that I get the feeling we're judged on the behaviour of a few...and I've heard of some horrific things happening over there through the years, some of them not that ancient.

 

[C_C]

I think pre 911 America was THE best as far as their treatment with the minorities is concerned in the first world.

I'd seriously beg to differ.
So would most people actually.
American major cities have been quite decent since the 70s-80s (when the 'hippie generation' grew older and replaced the oldies in the cultural rung) but their countryside is pretty poor in attitude.
And even then, America is usually big on potraying an image rather than living it- I've travelled somewhat in the western world and i find that Americans are far less culturally sensetive and respecting than others. Canada and New Zealand gets top marks in my books ( based on my experience) along with scandinavian countries. America, France, Italy, Australia, etc. go near the bottom of the pile.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Where your argument falls down is when you place the "scandanavian countries" at the top of the pile with regard to racial tolerance. They may be very liberal countries in many significant ways, but certainly not with racial issues. The exact opposite, in fact.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I'd seriously beg to differ.
So would most people actually.
American major cities have been quite decent since the 70s-80s (when the 'hippie generation' grew older and replaced the oldies in the cultural rung) but their countryside is pretty poor in attitude.
And even then, America is usually big on potraying an image rather than living it- I've travelled somewhat in the western world and i find that Americans are far less culturally sensetive and respecting than others. Canada and New Zealand gets top marks in my books ( based on my experience) along with scandinavian countries. America, France, Italy, Australia, etc. go near the bottom of the pile.

I guess it depends on experiences, cause I found Italy to be very welcoming (although i guess I 'fit in' so to speak as far as how I look) and I'm pretty sure I'd cop it in NZ

 

[nightprowler10]

I'd seriously beg to differ.
So would most people actually.
American major cities have been quite decent since the 70s-80s (when the 'hippie generation' grew older and replaced the oldies in the cultural rung) but their countryside is pretty poor in attitude.
And even then, America is usually big on potraying an image rather than living it- I've travelled somewhat in the western world and i find that Americans are far less culturally sensetive and respecting than others. Canada and New Zealand gets top marks in my books ( based on my experience) along with scandinavian countries. America, France, Italy, Australia, etc. go near the bottom of the pile.

Yeah the midwest in specific is probably the worst place for minorities IMO, down south is still pretty bad. In fact, there are still schools in Mississippi that have racial segregation.

 

[Slow Love™]

Where your argument falls down is when you place the "scandanavian countries" at the top of the pile with regard to racial tolerance. They may be very liberal countries in many significant ways, but certainly not with racial issues. The exact opposite, in fact.

Yes, and haven't we discussed this before? I'm getting deja vu. I guess it can get complicated because they are "different" in their behaviours. I guess you could argue that the scarier stuff is more on the fringes, though it's appeal is on the upswing.

The real problem though is that these particular countries have been remarkably racially homogenous, and simply aren't tested in the same way that a place like America is - IIRC, Charlton Heston might have touched on this in Bowling for Columbine. Mind you, they are all hardening right up now in terms of attitudes and immigration policy.

In any case, let's hope C_C never finds himself on the wrong side of the Norway black metal scene.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

In any case, let's hope C_C never finds himself on the wrong side of the Norway black metal scene.

Haha. The violent ones have been locked up for ten years now.

 

[jot1]

Getting back to the title of this thread, no where in the article do I read Smith saying anything about warning Panasar. As far as I can understand, he mentioned to a journalist a discussion him and his teammates had about abuse, some of it racial, and how it will affect Panasar. The "warning" part seems, to me, to be the journalist's own interpretation of the interview with Smith.
Some of the posters here seem to think Smith should never talk to the press. That would be extremely rude of him, and he would probably then be accused of that. (Being rude). Smith has no control over what interpretation, and in what way, journalist's present his comments in the press.
It is extremly unfair IMO to presume he issued a warning, (in an article where he didn't even use the word), just to stir something up.

 

[Slow Love™]

Getting back to the title of this thread, no where in the article do I read Smith saying anything about warning Panasar. As far as I can understand, he mentioned to a journalist a discussion him and his teammates had about abuse, some of it racial, and how it will affect Panasar. The "warning" part seems, to me, to be the journalist's own interpretation of the interview with Smith.
Some of the posters here seem to think Smith should never talk to the press. That would be extremely rude of him, and he would probably then be accused of that. (Being rude). Smith has no control over what interpretation, and in what way, journalist's present his comments in the press.
It is extremly unfair IMO to presume he issued a warning, (in an article where he didn't even use the word), just to stir something up.

Yeah, maybe he's being misrepresented by the press, but his line seems fairly consistent. "I really fear for some of these guys touring Australia, because they're going to cop a fair bit of abuse, some of it racial. As a matter of fact, when we were there, blah, blah, blah...."

It's not the "warning" part that is crucial, just the fact that he keeps bringing up Panesar in that context. IIRC he talked about it last month, too. Sorry if you're a fan, but it seems like stirring the pot to me, and where he's concerned, IMO, it's a bit of a character trait.

 

[pietersenrocks]

England spectators and other players will support him.

 

[Nishant]

Correct me if im wrong, but isn't it true that a lot of indians live in Australia! So why r they so racist to brown people?

 

[jot1]

Actually, it's the journalist's who bring in the racial abuse aspect, to which Smith answers them. Which is why he says the same things every time they bring it up. Which is why we've heard it all before. Which is why it has become so boring! And, mostly, which is why he is perceived to have only that to say. The journalists are only interested in getting something sensational to report to show their bosses they are doing a great job and selling newspapers and racialism is a garanteed attention getter. So anything else he says is either ignored altogether or down played. That was a 10 minute interview and only about 60 seconds of it was reported.

 

[Poker Boy]

When I mentioned apartheid what I was trying to say is that no country is imune from racist idiots - and that includes my own - ESPECIALLY my own at a time when a British Labour MP was saying that his party is losing votes to the racist British National Party (BNP) - who wouldn't even let Monty play for us(although he was born here). That's why I'm saying nobody should lecture a country about racism when no country has a perfect record on this issue...especially one that started the slave trade and did not sack its (white) cricket captain for saying he'd make a black team "grovel" (mind you he was a South African)

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

I beg to differ C_C ! It depends really ! I think pre 911 America was THE best as far as their treatment with the minorities is concerned in the first world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

 

[silentstriker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Not 40 years ago.

 

[silentstriker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Fraz is right. In my ten years of going to at least 20 sporting events a year, I have not seen a single, not even one, racist chant or taunt. It is simply unacceptable here, and you'd get your head bashed in by other spectators if you try it.

America bashing not withstanding, but we are far ahead on race relations than most of Europe. I know what happens at your soccer games.

 

[R_D]

Correct me if im wrong, but isn't it true that a lot of indians live in Australia! So why r they so racist to brown people?

lol who told you that ?
Every country has there fair share of racist idiots around. I've lived in Aus for over 9 years and I've never actually experienced much of racism. Apparentl the area i live in suppose to be the start of racist scumbags but nothing yet.
I don't see how Aus is anymore racist than say Eng or many other western countries. Minorties will always feel they are being racially abused even tho they might not be.
For example say i'm working at some place and indian guy gives you a spraying for whatever reason... well just say he's a dickhead but if it was a white guy.. we'll call him racist. But he might not be, he;s just an idiot but because he's not indian he's considered racist but not just another idiot.