Gentlemen cricketers

[Sanz]

Come off it - they can clearly see if he's brushed something by accident or if he's deliberately knocked them off.

Yes, But only Langer knew what happened after the bails were knocked off. For all we know, he could have realised immidiately but chose to ignore it.

 

[Sanz]

and as for Ganguly - I don't think his making Steve Waugh wait around in the middle for 10 mins on the first day of every test in Aus series before last while he leisurely made his way out to the field helped his cause. It was seen as a remarkable show of arrogance over here, and I'd imagine he would have copped it accordingly.

Ganguly is arrogant and Pretty much every Indian I know accepts it, but this who thing that Gangs made Steve Waugh wait for the toss, He was not dressed appropriately at the toss or that he claimed to have won the toss after actually losing it etc. were actually blown out of proportion IMO. Most of these stories started floating once Australia lost the 2nd Test. It only proves one thing, that Steve Waugh was a sore loser.

 

[Swervy]

Ganguly is arrogant and Pretty much every Indian I know accepts it, but this who thing that Gangs made Steve Waugh wait for the toss, He was not dressed appropriately at the toss or that he claimed to have won the toss after actually losing it etc. were actually blown out of proportion IMO. Most of these stories started floating once Australia lost the 2nd Test. It only proves one thing, that Steve Waugh was a sore loser.

so your opinion proves Waugh was a bad loser????

 

[Sanz]

so your opinion proves Waugh was a bad loser????

It proves to me at least. Here is a little read which might help you understand things better :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/in_depth/2001/india_v_australia/1266554.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/in_depth/2001/india_v_australia/1255951.stm

"It is a different story, however, when he crosses the boundary ropes.

A 2-1 defeat in the Test series in India - after a run of 16 successive victories - has been hard to stomach for the Aussies"

 

[Swervy]

It proves to me at least. Here is a little read which might help you understand things better :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/in_depth/2001/india_v_australia/1266554.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/in_depth/2001/india_v_australia/1255951.stm

"It is a different story, however, when he crosses the boundary ropes.

A 2-1 defeat in the Test series in India - after a run of 16 successive victories - has been hard to stomach for the Aussies"

a bunch of quotes from Ganguly does not prove a thing to me either

 

[Sanz]

"A 2-1 defeat in the Test series in India - after a run of 16 successive victories - has been hard to stomach for the Aussies"

The above was not said by Ganguly but the BBC reporter. Would you believe it when Steve himself says that a lot of things reported were exaggerated ?

Here is one more paranoid effort from Steve Waugh (who is he ICC CEO or what ?):-

Ganguly's call for video replay breached ICC regulations: Steve Waugh
http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/MAR/092031_AUSIND_31MAR2001.html

 

[Swervy]

"A 2-1 defeat in the Test series in India - after a run of 16 successive victories - has been hard to stomach for the Aussies"

The above was not said by Ganguly but the BBC reporter. Would you believe it when Steve himself says that a lot of things reported were exaggerated ?

Here is one more paranoid effort from Steve Waugh (who is he ICC CEO or what ?):-

Ganguly's call for video replay breached ICC regulations: Steve Waugh
http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/MAR/092031_AUSIND_31MAR2001.html

again..whats your point

 

[Sanz]

That Steve waugh acted like a sore loser after his winning streak was broken in Kolkata. And It got worse as the series progressed. In the end Australia were able to win the ODI series and he got some satisfaction and that's why there was no whinning after the final ODI.

Steve's complains :-

1. Sourav was late 7 times for toss
2. Sourav tried to steal the toss
3. Sourav was not dressed properly at toss
4. Sourav violated ICC regulations
5. Sourav got specially-prepared pitches

And after crying like a school boy for two months after the tour was over he said (about Ganguly )"We got along reasonably well in the end. It's no good airing dirty laundry in public." Yeah right !!

 

[Anil]

Just a side note - I'm talking about sledging here, not racial abuse....

...and what is the definition of sledging? sledging is abuse on the cricket field, racial or otherwise...

i'm sure all top teams(or at least some team members from each team) indulge in it and it is not an aussie-only phenomenon. it's also true that especially recently, any aussie instance of sledging has been much more in the limelight compared to other countries, there's a reason for that. simply put, the aussies are the worst offenders and until recently, got away with almost everything. i see that they have been trying to redeem themselves and clean up their act especially in the wake of the lehmann(this was not sledging, but it was vicious racial abuse nevertheless) and the mcgrath-sarwan incidents and that is good for the sport, i feel.

 

[Swervy]

That Steve waugh acted like a sore loser after his winning streak was broken in Kolkata. And It got worse as the series progressed. In the end Australia were able to win the ODI series and he got some satisfaction and that's why there was no whinning after the final ODI.

Steve's complains :-

1. Sourav was late 7 times for toss
2. Sourav tried to steal the toss
3. Sourav was not dressed properly at toss
4. Sourav violated ICC regulations
5. Sourav got specially-prepared pitches

And after crying like a school boy for two months after the tour was over he said (about Ganguly )"We got along reasonably well in the end. It's no good airing dirty laundry in public." Yeah right !!

sanz..get over it mate

 

[Sanz]

I have already gotten over it, but the way some aussies pick on Ganguly, it really seems so unfair. One Such guy was Ian Chappel who made so many allegation on Ganguly after the Kolkata test in 2001 series and Gangs(Call his arrogance or whatever) gave him back too. I am glad that we have a captain who can stand up to idiotic remarks made about him and his team.

http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/MAR/080479_AUSIND_12MAR2001.html

 

[Son Of Coco]

Ganguly is arrogant and Pretty much every Indian I know accepts it, but this who thing that Gangs made Steve Waugh wait for the toss, He was not dressed appropriately at the toss or that he claimed to have won the toss after actually losing it etc. were actually blown out of proportion IMO. Most of these stories started floating once Australia lost the 2nd Test. It only proves one thing, that Steve Waugh was a sore loser.

The series i'm talking about India lost 3-0 in Australia, so Australia losing the second test couldn't have actually happened. Of course it's blown out of proportion in your opinion, just like the sledging issue is blown completely out of proportion in my opinion. I don't remember hearing that he was dressed inappropriately though, just that he never actually managed to make it to the centre in time.

 

[Son Of Coco]

"A 2-1 defeat in the Test series in India - after a run of 16 successive victories - has been hard to stomach for the Aussies"

The above was not said by Ganguly but the BBC reporter. Would you believe it when Steve himself says that a lot of things reported were exaggerated ?

Here is one more paranoid effort from Steve Waugh (who is he ICC CEO or what ?):-

Ganguly's call for video replay breached ICC regulations: Steve Waugh
http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2001/MAR/092031_AUSIND_31MAR2001.html

Of course.......Waugh's paranoid, but when things such as Ganguly's incapability to turn up on time, Murali's action etc etc are reported in the media then it's a beat up and the media are bastards. You seem to enjoy presenting these articles as fact without taking into account that again it's just one person's opinion on what happened.

 

[Son Of Coco]

...and what is the definition of sledging? sledging is abuse on the cricket field, racial or otherwise...

i'm sure all top teams(or at least some team members from each team) indulge in it and it is not an aussie-only phenomenon. it's also true that especially recently, any aussie instance of sledging has been much more in the limelight compared to other countries, there's a reason for that. simply put, the aussies are the worst offenders and until recently, got away with almost everything. i see that they have been trying to redeem themselves and clean up their act especially in the wake of the lehmann(this was not sledging, but it was vicious racial abuse nevertheless) and the mcgrath-sarwan incidents and that is good for the sport, i feel.

Personally I think there's a bit of confusion as to what's sledging and what's abuse. As far as I'm concerned sledging is anything that's said on the field with the express purpose of disturbing a batsman's concentration - not necessarily abuse. Maybe this is what Waugh was referring to when he called it "mental disintegration", you don't have to abuse someone to get under their collar on the cricket field. The incidents where Australians have been brought into question crossed the line into abuse, and that's why they attracted so much attention.

 

[Sanz]

The series i'm talking about India lost 3-0 in Australia, so Australia losing the second test couldn't have actually happened. Of course it's blown out of proportion in your opinion, just like the sledging issue is blown completely out of proportion in my opinion. I don't remember hearing that he was dressed inappropriately though, just that he never actually managed to make it to the centre in time.

Under Ganguly's captaincy India has never lost a Test series to Australia, forget losing it 3-0. I guess the series you are talking about is 1999-2000 Indian tour of Australia. If I am not wrong Sachin Tendulkar was the Indian Captain for that tour. That means that the incidents you were referring to actually happened in Aussie tour of (2000-2001) India when Gangs was the Indian Captain.

As for Ganguly's dress code, Well After the report came out that he made steve wait for toss, Gangs tried to correct himself and for the next match he was there before time waiting for Steve and Cammie Smith to come and since the poor steve couldn't find any thing else, he complained about Ganguly's dress code that he was not in match dress.

 

[Sanz]

You seem to enjoy presenting these articles as fact without taking into account that again it's just one person's opinion on what happened.

They are not opinions, they are news reports. And no, I dont enjoy presenting such articles about anyone especially an australian cricketer, because I think they are a great team and they play exceptional cricket.

 

[Son Of Coco]

They are not opinions, they are news reports. And no, I dont enjoy presenting such articles about anyone especially an australian cricketer, because I think they are a great team and they play exceptional cricket.

hahahahahahahahahaha

And an article (news report if you will) is not reflective of the opinion of its writer? Where do these news reports come from then? I presume they must just appear out of thin air if no-one writes them.

In my previous post "enjoy" and "presenting articles as fact" went together.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Under Ganguly's captaincy India has never lost a Test series to Australia, forget losing it 3-0. I guess the series you are talking about is 1999-2000 Indian tour of Australia. If I am not wrong Sachin Tendulkar was the Indian Captain for that tour. That means that the incidents you were referring to actually happened in Aussie tour of (2000-2001) India when Gangs was the Indian Captain.

As for Ganguly's dress code, Well After the report came out that he made steve wait for toss, Gangs tried to correct himself and for the next match he was there before time waiting for Steve and Cammie Smith to come and since the poor steve couldn't find any thing else, he complained about Ganguly's dress code that he was not in match dress.

Right you are on the Captaincy of the team in Oz when they lost 3-0! My apologies, it was Tendulkar! I'm sure I was actually home at the time and Ganguly was involved at some stage, but obviously not.

As for the "since poor steve couldn't find anything else" - that wouldn't be your own interpretation of events would it!?

 

[Sanz]

And an article (news report if you will) is not reflective of the opinion of its writer? Where do these news reports come from then? I presume they must just appear out of thin air if no-one writes them.

How does quoting Steve Waugh Qualify as an opinion ? for example If I write the following from the above link :-

'Australian captain said, "Ganguly's call for the use of a video replay breached ICC regulations."'

I am sure that is my opinion, in that case every news report about Ganguly must be an opinion of the writer, isn't it ??

 

[Sanz]

As for the "since poor steve couldn't find anything else" - that wouldn't be your own interpretation of events would it!?

Of course, it is. Whe is he to point out Ganguly's dress code esp when he himself and his team members have been seen walking around halg naked ir in shorts during presentation ceremonies numerous times.