Gentlemen cricketers

[Sanz]

and do you not think the game would then get caught up in allsorts of red-tape...

No, I dont think so.

 

[Son Of Coco]

And when you look at Slater, Mcgrath, Langer, Martyn, Williams etc It kind of proves that this theory does have a point.

When has McGrath ever gotten away with anything? I actually think we get picked up on quite a bit more than other teams, so there you go.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I dont know that. Match referee has no way of knowing it either than to believe what Langer said. Now had there been another referee Langer's explanation may not have been enough and Langer would have got a fine.

And there is the inconsistency. ICC doesn't follow any rule, it just goes on by match referee's assessment of the situation and the explanation given to him. In stead of leaving the situation in the hands of match refs, ICC should have clear guidelines of what is allowed and what is not on a cricket field.And that is my point.

Yet accepting the word of other players in a ball-tampering incident is ok, and should be taken as gospel?

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well, all those players I named are. It's not my fault if the non-white members of Aussie team behave responsibly on the field. If Andrew Symonds abuses someone and gets away with it, I will add his name in the list as well.

Can I just ask, is abusing a batsman in a language that neither he nor the umpire understands and getting away with it ok? Is the issue whether you get caught and fined, or can you be considered to be getting away with it if it's not picked up at all? A number of the Australian cricketers over the years have mentioned a lot of chatter on the field in the subcontinent, South Africa etc that they couldn't understand, but kind of realised that what was being said was less than complimentary. Do these guys have a case to answer too?

 

[Langeveldt]

Can I just ask, is abusing a batsman in a language that neither he nor the umpire understands and getting away with it ok? Is the issue whether you get caught and fined, or can you be considered to be getting away with it if it's not picked up at all? A number of the Australian cricketers over the years have mentioned a lot of chatter on the field in the subcontinent, South Africa etc that they couldn't understand, but kind of realised that what was being said was less than complimentary. Do these guys have a case to answer too?

Not sure, I know the SA guys always chatter in Afrikaans in the slips, and AAD used to sledge a bit in Afrikaans.. I guess its a case of if you don't understand what it means there isnt the problem, because it doesn't offend you.
It kind of takes away the whole point of sledging in the first place

 

[Sanz]

When has McGrath ever gotten away with anything? I actually think we get picked up on quite a bit more than other teams, so there you go.

Many times, Recent Mcgrath-Sarwan incident comes to mind.

 

[Sanz]

Yet accepting the word of other players in a ball-tampering incident is ok, and should be taken as gospel?

Erm, Last I checked both Sachin and Dravid were punished for their acts. What I or most of Indians think doesn't really matter.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Not sure, I know the SA guys always chatter in Afrikaans in the slips, and AAD used to sledge a bit in Afrikaans.. I guess its a case of if you don't understand what it means there isnt the problem, because it doesn't offend you.
It kind of takes away the whole point of sledging in the first place

I disagree, I think that if you don't understand what it is, but you're well aware that it's not complimentary then it's going to be taken as intended - the only difference being that the batsman will have no comeback as he has no idea what's being said..........or at the very least will deviate from the conversation somewhat. haha The point I was trying to make with all that anyway is that the Aussies are made out to be terrible sledgers, and in some cases they have been, but they've always said that they've been on the receiving end just as often - just not always understood by themselves, or (I presume on a lot of occasions), the umpires.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Erm, Last I checked both Sachin and Dravid were punished for their acts. What I or most of Indians think doesn't really matter.

And Warne etc were punished for their actions, what you or I think about it is also irrelevant. The McGrath-Sarwan incident doesn't constitute many times for Pidgeon, as it's the only example you've brought up since you started talking about it.

 

[Sanz]

Can I just ask, is abusing a batsman in a language that neither he nor the umpire understands and getting away with it ok? Is the issue whether you get caught and fined, or can you be considered to be getting away with it if it's not picked up at all? A number of the Australian cricketers over the years have mentioned a lot of chatter on the field in the subcontinent, South Africa etc that they couldn't understand, but kind of realised that what was being said was less than complimentary. Do these guys have a case to answer too?

Uhh you are so Ignorant, Dude english is the common language among Indian players, Half of the Indian players dont even understand the language of each other and they prefer to communicate in English with each other.

 

[Sanz]

And Warne etc were punished for their actions, what you or I think about it is also irrelevant. The McGrath-Sarwan incident doesn't constitute many times for Pidgeon, as it's the only example you've brought up since you started talking about it.

Now you are trying to give the whole issue a new spin. Where did I say that 'Warnie' was not punished. I said Slater, Martyn, Mcgrath were not punished many times. And if you read my post carefully, I have given more than one example e.g. Slater abusing Dravid and Umpire in Mumbai test.

And why doesn't Mcgrath-sarwan case count ? It does in my book.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Uhh you are so Ignorant, Dude english is the common language among Indian players, Half of the Indian players dont even understand the language of each other and they prefer to communicate in English with each other.

I don't remember mentioning just Indian players.............

 

[Son Of Coco]

Now you are trying to give the whole issue a new spin. Where did I say that 'Warnie' was not punished. I said Slater, Martyn, Mcgrath were not punished many times. And if you read my post carefully, I have given more than one example e.g. Slater abusing Dravid and Umpire in Mumbai test.

And why doesn't Mcgrath-sarwan case count ? It does in my book.

haha, and as for the McGrath-Sarwan incident, I didn't say it doesn't count, just that it doesn't constitute "many times". I may be ignorant, but I do try to read the posts and reply to what you've actually written, not what I think I see.

 

[marc71178]

I dont know that. Match referee has no way of knowing it either than to believe what Langer said.

In spite of the multiple cameras all focused on the pitch?

 

[Sanz]

I don't remember mentioning just Indian players.............

Well I was. I am an Indian and I can talk about Indian team. I certainly dont know enoug about Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh to pass my judgement on their players.

 

[Sanz]

In spite of the multiple cameras all focused on the pitch?

Cameras dont read mind, do they ? Only Langer knows the truth, Rest is upto individuals to believe him, Broad did, someone else may not have. It's not that difficult to pull off such a stunt and act innocent after being caught.

 

[Sanz]

haha, and as for the McGrath-Sarwan incident, I didn't say it doesn't count, just that it doesn't constitute "many times". I may be ignorant, but I do try to read the posts and reply to what you've actually written, not what I think I see.

Okay, my mistake, I was in hurry . Try to read Greame Smith's comments after the SA-Aus test series in 2002. He called aussies as 'Serial Sledgers'. Do you remember Mcgrath sledging WI newcomer Robert Samuels in the 5th test in 1997 series. Infact not only Mcgrath, whole Aussie team got away with it.

During the 2001 series Australian players constantly sledged Ganguly about his affair with an Indian actress. I can give you so many examples, infact you should try googling, you will be able to find out yourself.

 

[marc71178]

Cameras dont read mind, do they ?

Come off it - they can clearly see if he's brushed something by accident or if he's deliberately knocked them off.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well I was. I am an Indian and I can talk about Indian team. I certainly dont know enoug about Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh to pass my judgement on their players.

Of course you can, but don't call me ignorant just because you presumed I was talking about your team.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Okay, my mistake, I was in hurry . Try to read Greame Smith's comments after the SA-Aus test series in 2002. He called aussies as 'Serial Sledgers'. Do you remember Mcgrath sledging WI newcomer Robert Samuels in the 5th test in 1997 series. Infact not only Mcgrath, whole Aussie team got away with it.

During the 2001 series Australian players constantly sledged Ganguly about his affair with an Indian actress. I can give you so many examples, infact you should try googling, you will be able to find out yourself.

Mate, I'm not saying tha Australians have never sledged. As for what Graeme Smith said, I think that's a bit rich coming from S.A! Boucher himself said he could see nothing wrong with sledging and it's well known that Klusener, Donald and Warnies bunny Cullinan used to liked to have a word whilst playing.

The thing that annoys me about the sledging debate is that the Australians are constantly made out to be seemingly the only team that does it, and the rest of the teams are the helpless silent victims. If any other person from another team is mentioned then we hear "oh, but he only sledges when the other team does it to him" etc etc.

We're still hearing about incidents from the 90's with the Aus team......I think it's time to get over it and move on. Sangakarra and his mates have helped us out a bit lately, and as for Ganguly - I don't think his making Steve Waugh wait around in the middle for 10 mins on the first day of every test in Aus series before last while he leisurely made his way out to the field helped his cause. It was seen as a remarkable show of arrogance over here, and I'd imagine he would have copped it accordingly.

Just a side note - I'm talking about sledging here, not racial abuse....