Freddie claims he was shot at in Delhi....

[Jace11]

Exactly the kind of partizan response I expected. No doubt you approve of trying to harm cricket players while they are on the field. And as for stereotyping, if 1 player is seriously injured by a fan, then the ICC will punish that entire country. That's how it works you fool. The governing body will not say its just a minority if the worst happens and 1 or 2 players are seriously injured or killed. Political correctness doesn't factor into the sanctions that will be taken, sorry...

If I get banned for saying players should be protected, that fans who assault them should be thrown out of cricket and sanctions taken against that countries cricket board, then so be it. I can think of no better reason. A guy in the flats I live in works at wisden offices in docklands so he'd be interested to hear that cricketweb bans people who call for no violence in cricket.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

The point Jace, is that there are many many thousands of gentlemen who go to watch cricket in India, and that the actions of a few over-zealous uber-passionate numpties should not tar the rest with the same brush.

 

[honestbharani]

Exactly the kind of partizan response I expected. No doubt you approve of trying to harm cricket players while they are on the field. And as for stereotyping, if 1 player is seriously injured by a fan, then the ICC will punish that entire country. That's how it works you fool. The governing body will not say its just a minority if the worst happens and 1 or 2 players are seriously injured or killed. Political correctness doesn't factor into the sanctions that will be taken, sorry...

If I get banned for saying players should be protected, that fans who assault them should be thrown out of cricket and sanctions taken against that countries cricket board, then so be it. I can think of no better reason. A guy in the flats I live in works at wisden offices in docklands so he'd be interested to hear that cricketweb bans people who call for no violence in cricket.

What about people who were bouncing batsmen who had no protection from around the wicket, just because they had no other way to bowl at them? There is more physical danger in being hit by the cricket ball than a plastic bottle. Why weren't the officials protecting the players then? Shouldn't the England team be banned for that? Because that is something that happened in the past too.

 

[honestbharani]

Wasn't it on that tour Nasser was slashed with a knife as he walked through the crowd to the pavilion. It was nothing major but goes to show the Indian fans attitude to opposition players. Maybe cause Nasser's family was from the sub-continent and he was captaining England - a rascism of a sort.

That wasn't talked up either but it should have been. Lucky he wasn't seriously hurt but why should a crowd of savages be allowed so close to cricket players. Why are they allowed to bring weapons into the stadium? Do they have no rules or law there? If its an attempt to intimidate then they would just brandish their guns and knives but the actually USE them to harm the opposition.

Cricket doesn't need these savages, kick them out!

Can you quote me one single instance of such things ever happening to players not from England? And honestly, from people who made crowd invasions fashionable and how many problems happened because of it (I read articles by TEd Corbett, an Englishmen on the issue just before the 99 WC), I wonder how they are still allowed to stay in the international fold... And it just makes you wonder why these bad behaviour things don't happen when sides like Australia, Pakistan (isolated incident(s) apart), New Zealand etc are playing.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Can you quote me one single instance of such things ever happening to players not from England? And honestly, from people who made crowd invasions fashionable and how many problems happened because of it (I read articles by TEd Corbett, an Englishmen on the issue just before the 99 WC), I wonder how they are still allowed to stay in the international fold... And it just makes you wonder why these bad behaviour things don't happen when sides like Australia, Pakistan (isolated incident(s) apart), New Zealand etc are playing.

What the hell has that opening statement got to do with anything? And honestly, from a country that made throwing stuff onto the pitch and burning effigies fashionable...

 

[Pedro Delgado]

I think burning effigies is hilarious as it goes, dunno why such a bother is made of it; down in Lewes East Sussex they burn one of the Pope every November 5, and whilst this anti-Catholic revelry is a little odd, it doesn't fill me with disgust (as a former Catholic).

Back to the main point and Fred, this quote sums it up for me - "To bring this up after such a long time ... Delhi police has nothing on this matter."

And I agree with them. Fred has a book out, this section has been highlighted by so-and-so, a few make a hoo-har about it, and away it will go into the ether.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Exactly the kind of partizan response I expected. No doubt you approve of trying to harm cricket players while they are on the field. And as for stereotyping, if 1 player is seriously injured by a fan, then the ICC will punish that entire country. That's how it works you fool. The governing body will not say its just a minority if the worst happens and 1 or 2 players are seriously injured or killed. Political correctness doesn't factor into the sanctions that will be taken, sorry...

If I get banned for saying players should be protected, that fans who assault them should be thrown out of cricket and sanctions taken against that countries cricket board, then so be it. I can think of no better reason. A guy in the flats I live in works at wisden offices in docklands so he'd be interested to hear that cricketweb bans people who call for no violence in cricket.

So, basically, you can see absolutely nothing at all wrong with calling Indian fans "savages", and if any action is taken against you, you'll run off and tell Wisden.

Much as we appreciate the notion that Wisden would actually care, I'd suggest that trying to blackmail us into not taking any action against you on account of who your mates are isn't the smartest of strategies to stay onside of the admin team.

 

[Pratters]

A guy in the flats I live in works at wisden offices in docklands so he'd be interested to hear that cricketweb bans people who call for no violence in cricket.

Go tell the secret guy of yours then.

come on come on.

you can do it!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sanz]

And as for stereotyping, if 1 player is seriously injured by a fan, then the ICC will punish that entire country. That's how it works you fool. The governing body will not say its just a minority if the worst happens and 1 or 2 players are seriously injured or killed. Political correctness doesn't factor into the sanctions that will be taken, sorry...

Oh really ?? Then why didn't ICC punish England after Michael Bevan was hit on neck be a beer can in some country ?

"It's just pure luck that it hit him in a spot that doesn't appear to be too serious and I know I keep harping on about it but someone will get killed - there's no doubt about it,

"A cricket steward has been taken to hospital suffering suspected broken ribs and other injuries after a pitch invasion marred Pakistan's victory over England......He was knocked to the ground and he was kicked. He has two broken ribs and he has suffered some damage to his spleen and he is being kept in hospital overnight.." - @ Headingley in 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1397559.stm

"My main concern was players' safety, my team. When we came off and Nick Knight was struck, I wasn't going to let my team go out there until my players' safety was guaranteed. We had a meeting with the match referee and umpires and they were looking to call the game off. At the time that was the right decision." Alec Stewart England Captain @ Edgbaston in 2001.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/natwest_series/1376742.stm

"Australian cricketers walked off the field during a one-day match against Pakistan after a firework landed near the boundary." @ TrentBridge in 2001.

"....Having played on Australia's last tour of NZ, during which the tyres of the team bus were slashed, the Australian dressing room was pelted with rocks, and fish and toilet seats were among missiles hurled at the Australian fielder...s" Hayden nominated New Zealanders as among the most hostile fans in international cricket. "I think they were disappointing.....I got spat on. I don't think that's the right behaviour. The crowd control was handled well, though. The guy got kicked out and his mates, as well.We play entertaining cricket, not to be spat on or have cans thrown at you. You've got the two best sides in the world playing each other, and it's ridiculous to think that you're going to be physically abused."

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Cricket/Security-talks-on-unruly-NZ-fans/2005/02/20/1108834664304.html

MCG cricket crowd rated one of the world's worst

While I post all the above, I dont mean to make any sweeping statement like you did.

 

[C_C]

But there is proof that something did happen, it is obvious you seem to miss that.

Yes. And that 'something' could've been ANYTHING. One cannot assume that just because there was something odd going on, it means that Hussain called Flintoff a son of so-n-so and Flintoff came up to argue with Hussian who complained to the umpire.
One cannot assume that Flintoff got taunted by the crowd as being fat and ran to Hussain to complain.
Similarly, just because something happened, one cannot assume that Flintoff's version is automatically the correct one.

 

[C_C]

What the hell has that opening statement got to do with anything? And honestly, from a country that made throwing stuff onto the pitch and burning effigies fashionable...

From a country that had made pitch invasions fashionable......you really are a troller.

 

[Craig]

I think for the sake of this thread I think it is best we ignore Jace11 - he/she is a troll and a flame baiter. These things are best left alone.

 

[Craig]

From a country that had made pitch invasions fashionable......you really are a troller.

And you most certainly aren't perfect either sunshine.

 

[C_C]

And you most certainly aren't perfect either sunshine.

Never claimed to be - but then again, i dont denigrate countries like Scaly_Piscine does.

 

[no1_gangsta_786]

well if he was shot at that explains that black dot on his head!!

 

[Sanjeev_K]

It is very sad this discussion I think no cricket man should be subject to such things no matter the country they are playing in. There seem some very young forum users and moderators here, if you are from India, then you don't have to call Flintof a liar. It is possible he tells truth for sure.

 

[Shounak]

Anyway, some perspective would be nice..

Getting hit by a plastic bottle is much worse then getting hit by a pellet..

Why are so many doubts (aspersions?) being cast over India? Jeez. There's bound to be at least one idiot in the crowd, no matter where you are..

 

[greg]

Shane Warne says he was hit by a heavy duty padlock

 

[honestbharani]

oh no... what happened to the padlock?


Edit: Can u link me to the story? And he wasn't hurt, right?

 

[shankar]

Shane Warne says he was hit by a heavy duty padlock

That wasn't in India.