Finding a balance

[FaaipDeOiad]

Do all rounders get +1 batting and -1 bowling each season? or what? Maybe they should have to choose where the point goes to, because otherwise they just get better and better.

They get half on each, while batsmen and bowlers get one full point on their chosen discipline.

 

[Robertinho]

Ok, fair enough. That's what I thought initially but I had been lead to believe otherwise

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Liam, is it possible for players to request their points go into a different area? It would be nice if bowlers were able to choose to concentrate on improving their batting, or for keepers to do the same, etc.

That's actually a workable suggestion. The problem there is that with time a specialist bowler/batsman can turn into an allrounder. That would just compound the number of allrounders in the system right now.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That's actually a workable suggestion. The problem there is that with time a specialist bowler/batsman can turn into an allrounder. That would just compound the number of allrounders in the system right now.

But an all-rounder can also turn into a specialist. If someone wanted to stay a true all-rounder they could work on their weaker skill, while an all-rounder could also specialise if they wished.

I suppose perhaps just those who were already all-rounders could do it, instead of taking half a point in each discipline they could opt to improve in one field.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I suppose perhaps just those who were already all-rounders could do it, instead of taking half a point in each discipline they could opt to improve in one field.

Given the nature of the system, that's a more worthwhile suggestion at the moment IMO.

 

[chaminda_00]

Sorry for the confusion, but who is Thami? :S If he's chaminda_00, then I strongly disagree that a keeper should be able to sign up with 45 fielding and 21 batting. That's equal to if not better than most world class keepers right now.

Is there much difference between 45 abd 39? But i guess if players improve every season then the limit should be 36 or 39 and the highest bowling average should be like 24, so bowlers don't become Sid Barnes and keepers become Healy and better.

 

[Loony BoB]

Is there much difference between 45 abd 39? But i guess if players improve every season then the limit should be 36 or 39 and the highest bowling average should be like 24, so bowlers don't become Sid Barnes and keepers become Healy and better.

Think of it this way - you'd want them to have room to improve instead of starting at the top, especially if they bat as well.

 

[James90]

I'm liking this. Good idea

 

[chaminda_00]

Think of it this way - you'd want them to have room to improve instead of starting at the top, especially if they bat as well.

I agree with you mate, im just saying 39 too high also, especially if they can have a 27 batting average.

 

[Loony BoB]

Which is why in my update (not in the first post) I had the 'specialist keeper' at 39 keep, 15 bat. Also 64 bowl but let's ignore that.

For my later update, check this: http://forum.cricketweb.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4667
Pay no attention to the dark blue areas.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Which is why in my update (not in the first post) I had the 'specialist keeper' at 39 keep, 15 bat. Also 64 bowl but let's ignore that.

For my later update, check this: http://forum.cricketweb.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4667
Pay no attention to the dark blue areas.

That's actually really, really simple to explain to people.

"Sign up here. You've got 18 skill points. You can share them out batting, bowling and fielding, but you can't have more than 13 points in any discipline. Apart from that, you can share them out in any way you want."

 

[Loony BoB]

I think we should start asking ourselves some questions. Start with keepers, since they don't generally bowl at all.

KEEPING
1) What is the maximum fielding rating one would expect to have when starting? ie, specialist keeper.
2) If they went for the maximum fielding rating, what should their batting average be around, given?

BATTING
3) What is the maximum batting average one should expect to start with? ie. specialist batsman
4) If one was to go for the maximum batting average and be a completely incompetent bowler (ie does not bowl), what would one expect their fielding rating to be?

BOWLING
5) What is the minimum bowling average one should expect to start with? ie. specialist bowler

From the answers to those questions, I should be able to start sorting out a formula. I might come out with a few more questions as things move on.

 

[chaminda_00]

Which is why in my update (not in the first post) I had the 'specialist keeper' at 39 keep, 15 bat. Also 64 bowl but let's ignore that.

For my later update, check this: http://forum.cricketweb.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4667
Pay no attention to the dark blue areas.

You have to be 12 or 13 to be a frontline bowler, a bit unfair don't you think

 

[Loony BoB]

Oh, blimey, I must have made two later updates. Hold on. *looks for it*

EDIT: This one had a fielding rating cap of 39. As I said, I'd like input from keepers and Liam to find out what would be a reasonable maximum rating for a rookie specialist keeper.

EDIT: It might be worth considering adjusting the bowling in matters of 2 instead of 3, though... fair enough on that count.

 

[Loony BoB]

The image attached has adjustments for bowling so it increases in 2's.

Keep in mind that, generally, the best way to look at things for a non-keeper is to look where the fielding ratings are 15, 18 or 21 - this is what most of the players in the Dev League use.

 

[chaminda_00]

The image attached has adjustments for bowling so it increases in 2's.

Keep in mind that, generally, the best way to look at things for a non-keeper is to look where the fielding ratings are 15, 18 or 21 - this is what most of the players in the Dev League use.

One note a keeper can have a keeping rating of 39 and batting average of 24, is that much better then 45 rating and 21 batting is it?

 

[marc71178]

The other thing to consider is that I'm sure bowling is a product of 2 things.

 

[Robertinho]

Is 42 perhaps too high for a rookie batsman? (Yes, I did sign up with an average of 54 , exuse my initial ignorance) I'm pretty sure my simming average is somewhere around 39 for FC, and thats after one fairly good season. So is 42 too high for a rookie batsman to come in? And is 39? I'm wondering what people who have experience with ITC think.

By the way, with that thing with bowling at increments of 2 - is averaging 42 with the bat and 38 with the ball too good? And 24 with the bat, 26 with the ball - considering most Dev League (a huge majority) average over 26 with the ball, is 24 too high a batting average for them?

 

[Loony BoB]

Is 42 perhaps too high for a rookie batsman? (Yes, I did sign up with an average of 54 , exuse my initial ignorance) I'm pretty sure my simming average is somewhere around 39 for FC, and thats after one fairly good season. So is 42 too high for a rookie batsman to come in? And is 39? I'm wondering what people who have experience with ITC think.

By the way, with that thing with bowling at increments of 2 - is averaging 42 with the bat and 38 with the ball too good? And 24 with the bat, 26 with the ball - considering most Dev League (a huge majority) average over 26 with the ball, is 24 too high a batting average for them?

Only if they want to drop every catch that comes their way, what with a fielding rating of, er, 3.

 

[Robertinho]

What if they do?