Finance information - a summary

[marc71178]

No, I am not being ridiculous.

You were advised to read the thread - if you choose not to, you have to live with the consequences.

The management has often stated that things will be posted on the website/forum, yet suddenly it's an issue for certain people.

Also, within a fortnight is fair clear that it should be within a fortnight, and that time expired before you decided to make an issue of it (coincidentally at the same time as someone else has made a big fuss about it - funny that!)

As for your last sentence and accusation - I hope you're either going to back that up with hard evidence or retract it.

 

[thierry henry]

No, I am not being ridiculous.

You were advised to read the thread - if you choose not to, you have to live with the consequences.

I DID read the thread. I'm sorry to have to repeat myself but- are you honestly saying that all WCC players have to read every word of every post? Because that is ridiculous. I was advised to read the thread for information and I did. I'm terribly sorry that I wasn't able to check it everyday.

The management has often stated that things will be posted on the website/forum, yet suddenly it's an issue for certain people.

Perhaps something that is going to apparently result in people being given randomly generated budgets should have been clarified in either the e-mail, or even the start of the thread which the e-mail told us to read?

Also, within a fortnight is fair clear that it should be within a fortnight, and that time expired before you decided to make an issue of it

I'm sorry, but I didn't honestly believe that the deadline was going to be precisely.....8:39am this morning. Considering the initial failure to provide a clear deadline, I think I was quite reasonable in assuming that I had from the 14th until the 28th. If you wanted to make a clearcut deadline I think it's fairly obvious that it should be part of the initial announcement.

(coincidentally at the same time as someone else has made a big fuss about it - funny that!)

It's the last day. I came online specifically to send you the information. I had no idea that I was too late and, as far as I'm concerned, no reason to believe that I was. I always fully intended to do it.

As for your last sentence and accusation - I hope you're either going to back that up with hard evidence or retract it.

This entire situation? The fact that you are unwilling to take information submitted mere hours after an arbitrary and ineffectively announced deadline?

 

[AUST_HiTMaN]

Sorry to interupt 'thierry' - But would you prefere a tissue or a shoulder to cry on?

 

[andyc]

thierry, first of all you complain that the deadline was unclear, and then you say you came on because you know when the deadline was. sounds like it was pretty clear to me. also, the fact that the majority of the managers managed to email in theirs on time indicates that it was pretty clear when it was due. you had two weeks to ask clarifying questions and have a whinge about the new system if you wanted to, yet you chose to turn it in on the last day!? i mean, come on.

 

[Graham]

Why do you wait till after the clear deadline to ask this?

I agree that people should meet deadlines.
I also agree that some managers are deliberately stuffing you around because they don't like this new system. It seems to be that even if you'd waited another day, their submissions would still not have been made as they've been angling for an opportunity to cause problems for you.

However if the deadline was the 28th (?), isn't it still the 27th in England?
I received this in your email sent 14/5:

I urge you to read the following thread: http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=13181 and request you reply within a fortnight detailing the amount of your running costs you wish to put to your Physio and the amount you want to put into Youth Development

 

[thierry henry]

thierry, first of all you complain that the deadline was unclear, and then you say you came on because you know when the deadline was.

lol. Obviously I *thought* I knew when it was. I thought I could post today, because *gasp* 28/5/2005, is not more than 2 weeks after 14/5/2005. Got it?

also, the fact that the majority of the managers managed to email in theirs on time indicates that it was pretty clear when it was due.

How does it indicate that? For starters, obviously most managers wouldn't leave it to the last day. It doesn't mean I'm not allowed to leave it to the last day. Obviously there were 14 days in which to do it, and I chose the last, so I fully expected 90% of managers to have already done it. It doesn't mean that doing it on the last day is any less legitimate.

you had two weeks to ask clarifying questions and have a whinge about the new system if you wanted to

ffs, how clear do I have to make this!

Why would I want to ask clarifying questions when the e-mail clearly stated we had 2 weeks?

Why would I want to have a whinge about the new system when I have no complaints about it whatsoever?

Why would I complain on any other day? Today is the only day I have anything to complain about! Prior to today I hadn't been denied the opportunity to submit my details.

 

[thierry henry]

I agree that people should meet deadlines.
I also agree that some managers are deliberately stuffing you around because they don't like this new system. It seems to be that even if you'd waited another day, their submissions would still not have been made as they've been angling for an opportunity to cause problems for you.

However if the deadline was the 28th (?), isn't it still the 27th in England?
I received this in your email sent 14/5:

I urge you to read the following thread: http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=13181 and request you reply within a fortnight detailing the amount of your running costs you wish to put to your Physio and the amount you want to put into Youth Development

Thankyou. That's my point exactly. I've got no problems, no complaints with the system. I read the e-mail, I (naturally) figured the last day to do it was the 28th, and so I came on today ready to go, only to be told that I'm too late. God knows what I've supposedly done wrong.

 

[Graham]

Well actually it's about 5 am on the 28th in London, so I was wrong to be fair. And the words did say WITHIN a fortnight, so could be interpreted loosely as less than a fortnight. However the fortnight is not up yet if the deadline is midnight 28th.

I still stand by my original statement though that some managers are just trying to make things awkward for Marc. I know he can get up people's noses at times (sorry Marc), but a lot of thought and effort has gone into this system and Blewy has sanctioned it. We all owe it to Marc and Blewy to make sure things run smoothly.

 

[Cloete]

Blewy, obivously I'm not going to change your mind with any of this, so just tell me one thing which no one has been able to give me answer for. When Cloete missed a 3rd submission with Tamil Nadu he should have been sacked. But when people came to his aide and said he shouldn't be, he was let off and allowed to continue managing them. He knew the deadlines and what not, but the rules for bent for him...he had been playing WCC for a year maybe. Is my case difference? You never told him **** poor effort or anything like that.

Blewy, I love WCC heaps, but the way deadlines are treated is some what confusing. People are let off in some cases and not in others. It's frustrating, whether or not they have valid excuses should matter...or should it?

If you could answer these questions, and give a good reason I will accept it, and move on...

That is all

The difference there, nibbs, was that I hadn't been on the forum since Saturday and was in Mackay and I was due to come back on Wednesday. Due to unforeseen cicrumstances I came back late on Friday.

You've been posting toal trash in the OT all week and I can't beleive you haven't even checked the WCC thread, or asked anyone!

 

[Blewy]

The big issue, dealine passed or not, is this is exactly what i said earlier this week....

People have had 2 weeks to submit their info, those who choose to wait till right at the last minute and then claim that they have no idea, get whats coming to them...

 

[thierry henry]

The big issue, dealine passed or not, is this is exactly what i said earlier this week....

Oh I see, so now not only are we supposed to read every post in this forum, we're supposed to read every Blewy post as well.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Okay i just want to make it clear.. that by sending the information in today morning.. was my own mistake ofcourse.. now i didnt sit lazy for 2 weeks because i knew about it.. but like i stated earlier.. i missed out the part in the email at the bottom or completely forget about it after that instance.. and then i only checked this thread for its first couple of pages to see if what i thought of the system was the thing marc was intepreting and it was .. so i didnt need to check this part of the thread anymore i realized.
So im neither trying to put marc or any of the wcc staff in any occured position because im maybe 'unhappy' with the system..
Although i thought the deadlines usually run on Australian time.. so if as stated by graham was 28th today.. then i should be well in time yeah?

I thought it was all fair as long as we met deadlines.. but if i failed to then sincere apologies..

 

[Blewy]

Oh I see, so now not only are we supposed to read every post in this forum, we're supposed to read every Blewy post as well.

Did i say that???

NO.

If you have read through this thread as you said you did, you would've seen my comments...

If reading is to much then to bad...

Actually...

Im sick of this crap.. The issue is OVER!!!!!

The people who were late, WILL be given random stats.. You had 2 weeks to submit, if you decided to leave it to the last minute its your problem not mine...

Deal with it...

Thread CLOSED.... Sorry people who have obided by the rules, im sick of the childish whinging.....

 

[marc71178]

I DID read the thread. I'm sorry to have to repeat myself but- are you honestly saying that all WCC players have to read every word of every post? Because that is ridiculous. I was advised to read the thread for information and I did. I'm terribly sorry that I wasn't able to check it everyday.

If you don't check things you're advised to then you have no right of complaint.

Perhaps something that is going to apparently result in people being given randomly generated budgets should have been clarified in either the e-mail, or even the start of the thread which the e-mail told us to read?

It was mentioned in the thread which you were advised to read, if you fail to do it, it's your own fault.

I'm sorry, but I didn't honestly believe that the deadline was going to be precisely.....8:39am this morning. Considering the initial failure to provide a clear deadline, I think I was quite reasonable in assuming that I had from the 14th until the 28th. If you wanted to make a clearcut deadline I think it's fairly obvious that it should be part of the initial announcement.

The deadline said a fortnight, even if I used a cut off such as midnight you'd still have missed it.

A fortnight is a clear indication of the deadline - that you missed it is your own fault.

It's the last day. I came online specifically to send you the information. I had no idea that I was too late and, as far as I'm concerned, no reason to believe that I was. I always fully intended to do it.

Which begs the question why did you wait so long?

This entire situation? The fact that you are unwilling to take information submitted mere hours after an arbitrary and ineffectively announced deadline?

A deadline is a deadline - whether you miss it by minutes or hours is irrelevant (and the fact you never even sent it anyway says something.

 

[marc71178]

I agree that people should meet deadlines.
I also agree that some managers are deliberately stuffing you around because they don't like this new system. It seems to be that even if you'd waited another day, their submissions would still not have been made as they've been angling for an opportunity to cause problems for you.

It looks that way to me as well - and the inconsistencies in their excuses makes that obvious.

As it is, the only one they've caused problems for is themselves.

However if the deadline was the 28th (?), isn't it still the 27th in England?
I received this in your email sent 14/5:

I sent them on the Friday night UK time - all this fuss happened early on the Saturday morning UK time.

 

[marc71178]

lol. Obviously I *thought* I knew when it was. I thought I could post today, because *gasp* 28/5/2005, is not more than 2 weeks after 14/5/2005. Got it?

Except you're missing the point about when it was sent out.

Why would I want to ask clarifying questions when the e-mail clearly stated we had 2 weeks?

Clarifying questions to work out what is expected of you.

All of which were put in this threadm as you were advised they would be.