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European Union Test Team

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm pretty sure Palladino's nickname was "The Italian Stallion". Anyway, his eligibility is largely irrelevant as he's no better than any of the players you've listed.

Pettini, on the other hand, may warrant consideration if he's eligible. Better than Coetzer I'd think.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
I think a decent team could be put out and that there is ok depth. Just looking at names and there are a lot that would miss out with County experience as well as Inter Continental Cup FC games.

I honestly think it would be an important move for 3 reasons.
a) The side would be competetive with the lesser sides straight away
b) It wold be great for cricket and bring additional promotion and finances
c) Balance the Asian voting bloc that is turning cricket into a political mess
 
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Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
Who would support an EU side though? Would Scotland fans really be happy supporting a side that also contained Danes and Dutchmen? I can forsee major selection problems matches played in front of virtually no-one. What happens if the best side contains 7 Dutch players and 4 Irish players and the game is held in Edinburgh.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
c) Balance the Asian voting bloc that is turning cricket into a political mess
With regards to this last point, I've always thought it extremely short-sighted of the ECB not to give more support to the other European cricketing nations. They'd obviously be playing a long-term game to do so, but if any of them kicked on England would have ready-made natural allies

Who would support an EU side though? Would Scotland fans really be happy supporting a side that also contained Danes and Dutchmen? I can forsee major selection problems matches played in front of virtually no-one. What happens if the best side contains 7 Dutch players and 4 Irish players and the game is held in Edinburgh.
TBF Europe goes ok versus the Seppos in the Ryder Cup, support-wise. Although I imagine golf is rather bigger on the continent than cricket is.
 

Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
TBF Europe goes ok versus the Seppos in the Ryder Cup, support-wise. Although I imagine golf is rather bigger on the continent than cricket is.
It's one thing having a representative side that plays in a biennial match of historic importance, which is completely different to any other high-profile golf competition, but it's another altogether putting together a composite side playing regular matches, just as any other nation would.
 

Jamee999

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah - if only there was a working example of a group of countries that have a united cricket team because many of the countries are too small to compete at test level....
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Yeah - if only there was a working example of a group of countries that have a united cricket team because many of the countries are too small to compete at test level....
or examples of Tests being played elsewhere in front of small crowds
 

Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
Yeah - if only there was a working example of a group of countries that have a united cricket team because many of the countries are too small to compete at test level....
Historic reasons again. The West Indian nations have a lot in common with one another, and were tied together through the Commonwealth. Having a team evolve over time is different from trying to artificially create a group of players from much more diverse backgrounds. An EU side would effectively mean that a Greek player could play alongside a Scot. Culturally, I don't think it would work at all, and I don't think players would feel the same affiliation for the much-loved EU as for the West Indies.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
It's one thing having a representative side that plays in a biennial match of historic importance, which is completely different to any other high-profile golf competition, but it's another altogether putting together a composite side playing regular matches, just as any other nation would.
Fair point. An EU test side would obviously be an expedient compromise, but I still think that European cricket fans might potentially get behind it; if CW is anything to go by most non-English Euro cricket bods seem to be de facto English fans, presumably on grounds of proximity, so if they can bring themselves to support perfidious Albion I don't think it's a huge leap to supporting Europe. There'd obviously need to be carefully managed rotation of the venues to avoid one country monopolising things, but as we see over here that's not an issue we're free of either.

Personally I'd prefer to see Scotland, Ireland, Holland et al competing as seperate countries, but currently they just aren't strong enough in terms of players. I'd actually like to see first-class cricket entities et up in all those countries and brought into the English system at the expense of some of the weaker, Saffie-stuffed counties, but turkeys don't vote for Christmas so I can't see it happening.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Historic reasons again. The West Indian nations have a lot in common with one another, and were tied together through the Commonwealth. Having a team evolve over time is different from trying to artificially create a group of players from much more diverse backgrounds. An EU side would effectively mean that a Greek player could play alongside a Scot. Culturally, I don't think it would work at all, and I don't think players would feel the same affiliation for the much-loved EU as for the West Indies.
I'm no major expert, but is Guyana seriously comparable culture-wise to Jamaica?
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
In principle, I feel like the prospect of a European Union Test team would be a fantastic one - it would expand the Test cricket universe, provide challenging opposition for countries like Bangladesh and - dare I say it - Zimbabwe, and allow talented players from so-called "minor" countries a chance to shine.

However, the logistics involved would be insanely complex. Plus, I personally am of the belief that while Scotland and Ireland are competing as separate cricketing entities, Wales should be too; the creation of more "blocs" of countries that compete together in international cricket further blurs the line between domestic and international cricket, and makes the definition of what constitutes and international match and what doesn't extremely vague. Everyone's statistics change, suddenly certain players' eligibility changes in a heartbeat (would Ed Joyce still be available for recall to the England ODI team? Would Alexei Kervezee's Worcestershire contract, or that of any other European playing county cricket for that matter, need to be changed to accommodate him as an Overseas Player, now that he played for a Test-playing nation?), no-one knows who they play for any more.

It's a nice idea in theory, but in practice, I doubt it'll ever come anywhere close to fruition. The best we can hope for is for one or two of the European nations to have progressed somewhere close to Test standard within the next twenty years.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Historic reasons again. The West Indian nations have a lot in common with one another, and were tied together through the Commonwealth. Having a team evolve over time is different from trying to artificially create a group of players from much more diverse backgrounds. An EU side would effectively mean that a Greek player could play alongside a Scot. Culturally, I don't think it would work at all, and I don't think players would feel the same affiliation for the much-loved EU as for the West Indies.
Thats all personal opinion.

The European Union isnt an artificial notion and is a far stronger political entity than the West Indies Federation ever was.

The European Union exists, it just needs a team to represent it. Its not like its an invention for cricketing purposes. It has sovereignty over all its member nations.

I cant see any issues at all.
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
Would Alexei Kervezee's Worcestershire contract, or that of any other European playing county cricket for that matter, need to be changed to accommodate him as an Overseas Player, now that he played for a Test-playing nation?
Pretty sure Kervezee would be able to take legal action if that happened.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Would Alexei Kervezee's Worcestershire contract, or that of any other European playing county cricket for that matter, need to be changed to accommodate him as an Overseas Player, now that he played for a Test-playing nation?), no-one knows who they play for any more.
No. Why would it? :blink: They are Europeans and obviously covered by European employment law as we all are. It isnt complicated.

I think people are looking too deep into this and mising how simple it is.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
Thats all personal opinion.

The European Union isnt an artificial notion and is a far stronger political entity than the West Indies Federation ever was.

The European Union exists, it just needs a team to represent it. Its not like its an invention for cricketing purposes. It has sovereignty over all its member nations.

I cant see any issues at all.
I think you're conflating a political reality with sporting loyalty slightly there; some of the bitterest sporting rivalries are between member states of the EU, so just because the European Union has ultimate responsibility for law making it doesn't necessarily follow people would want to support it or that it needs a team to represnt it.

The other obvious problem would be the fact that a current test nation is part of a country that is an EU member.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
My only issue with this is that it wouldn't be a true EU team without England. It'd be "The Rest of the EU" in reality which seems a bit hollow for my liking. If that situation was deemed okay you could have both Queensland and Australia as Test nations in theory.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
My only issue with this is that it wouldn't be a true EU team without England. It'd be "The Rest of the EU" in reality which seems a bit hollow for my liking. If that situation was deemed okay you could have both Queensland and Australia as Test nations in theory.
Pretty sure the rest of Oz would be ok with that tbh. :p
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
I think you're conflating a political reality with sporting loyalty slightly there; some of the bitterest sporting rivalries are between member states of the EU
Some of the bitterest wars in history have been fought between European nations, too. Doesn't stop them all going to Brussels and eating scones or doing whatever they do together.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I think you're conflating a political reality with sporting loyalty slightly there; some of the bitterest sporting rivalries are between member states of the EU
I honestly don't think this is much of an issue. If you take Australia as the example again, New South Wales and Queensland have just as bitter a sporting rivalry as Australia and England do, and yet they still manage to play together under the Australian cricket banner. The same could be said for Lancashire and Yorkshire.

The other obvious problem would be the fact that a current test nation is part of a country that is an EU member.
Yeah, this doesn't sit well with me at all. It may be a bit petty but it'd seem a bit hollow if they weren't representing the entirety of their name.
 

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