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DoG's Test Innings and Bowling Performances. Updates thread.

Days of Grace

International Captain
Do you mean the four bowlers who bowled the most in the innings or the four highest ranked bowlers? Remember that I am weighting it by number of overs bowled, so even if the fifth bowler (and/or the lowest rated bowler) bowls a few overs, they will not affect the team rating too much.

Let me give you three examples of why only choosing four bowlers would be a problem:

Example A: Adam Gilchrist's 149* at Hobart. Pakistan used five bowlers. Do I cut Waqar out because he bowled the last amount of overs? If I do then the overall attack would lose some points on its rating. Or do I cut out Azhar Mahmood and go with the four highest rated bowlers?

Saqlain Mushtaq
751​
771​
758​
44.5​
Shoaib Akhtar
340​
855​
512​
23​
Wasim Akram
745​
830​
773​
18​
Azhar Mahmood
278​
325​
294​
17​
Waqar Younis
680​
909​
756​
11​

Example B: Sunil Gavaskar's 221 at the Oval. England used seven bowlers. But I only count the top five bowlers and anyone else who bowled at least 10% of the total overs. If I go with the four highest rated bowlers here then Peter Willey is cut, even though he bowled the most overs in the innings, and thus was a big factor.

P Willey
35​
71​
47​
43.5​
PH Edmonds
552​
654​
586​
38​
IT Botham
884​
911​
893​
29​
RGD Willis
759​
837​
785​
28​
M Hendrick
724​
727​
725​
8​
AR Butcher
2​
GA Gooch
2​

Example C: Hanif Mohammad's mammoth 337 at Bridgetown in 1958. West Indies used 7 bowlers. Here I include six bowlers, because Valentine bowled more than 10% of the team overs, and he happened to be the highest rated bowler in the team at that time. If I cut Gilchrist and Valentine then the team would lose some rating points. But if cut the lowest rated bowlers (Sobers, Atkinson), then I would be cutting two members who bowled a lot of overs and were thus a major factor in the innings.

DS Atkinson
456​
522​
478​
62​
OG Smith
349​
483​
394​
61​
GS Sobers
205​
715​
375​
57​
ES Atkinson
59​
417​
178​
49​
R Gilchrist
254​
703​
404​
41​
AL Valentine
613​
792​
673​
39​
CL Walcott
10​


This is the problem with only selecting four bowlers. I am loathe to change the formula just so Laxman's 281 can climb one spot.

Five bowlers and anyone else who bowled 10% of the innings seems to be the sweet spot.
 
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Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It would be four + anyone who bowled > 10% no?

So in that case, Hendricks wouldn’t count but everyone else still would?
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Let's try these Tests:


First innings: 588; Second innings: 590


First innings: 665; Second innings: 661


First innings: 726; Second innings: 724


First innings: 761; Second innings: 764


First innings: 740; Second innings: 749


First innings: 749; Second innings: 764

"Click to expand" to see the ratings for each test.

It appears that the 2016-17 attack at home and the one that lined up for the test championship final in 2019 were the best that India have ever produced.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
It would be four + anyone who bowled > 10% no?

So in that case, Hendricks wouldn’t count but everyone else still would?
That's right, Hendricks wouldn't count.

But if we're counting those who bowled 10% of the overs, then Mark Waugh would be counted as a member of the 2001 Kolkata attack.
 

Xix2565

International Regular
Think you might need to fix the formatting a bit, but thanks a lot @Days of Grace. Didn't expect the 2017 Bangalore Test to be that high in both innings, benefit of not having a 5th bowler of lower quality IYO?
 

Slifer

International Captain
Just checked the scorecard of the Kim Hughes innings at #20. Never knew of this one. Looks like quite a game. Has the highest bowling attack rating in the list. Trundlers like Gomes and Richards were not used so that would have helped. The top 4 cleaned up rest of Australia.


EDIT: Did WI only manage to draw that series because Lillee broke down in the 3rd test (bowled only 8.5 overs across 2 innings)?
Possibly but WI have beaten Australia in Australia with a fully fit Lillee so it's neither here nor there.
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Possibly but WI have beaten Australia in Australia with a fully fit Lillee so it's neither here nor there.
Just said that because Lillee took 10 wickets in the 1st test that Australia won so he must have been in very good form.
 

Slifer

International Captain
Just said that because Lillee took 10 wickets in the 1st test that Australia won so he must have been in very good form.
Oh yeah, well yeah. Amazing considering he was winding down towards the end of his playing career.
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
One can get more precise with bowling ranking. You can take into account the strength of specific batsmen a bowler dismissed in an innings rather than overall team batting strength. So picking a fiver against a weaker team in some cases may turn out to be more valuable than against stronger team if the former included mostly top order batsmen and latter mostly lower order.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
One can get more precise with bowling ranking. You can take into account the strength of specific batsmen a bowler dismissed in an innings rather than overall team batting strength. So picking a fiver against a weaker team in some cases may turn out to be more valuable than against stronger team if the former included mostly top order batsmen and latter mostly lower order.
I base the rating of the opposition on the average rating of the highest 7 batsmen who batted 1-8 in the order. This usually eliminates the night-watchman, if any were used.

Dismissals of top 7 batsmen are worth 2x that of numbers 8-11.

I will post the top 100 based on this method but I am definitely considering basing the opposition rating on the rating of all batsmen combined with the rating of actual batsmen dismissed.
 
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Days of Grace

International Captain
Top 100 test bowling performances update.

OppositionOpposition ratingVenueYearRating
1​
SCJ Broad815Australia662Nottingham2015
20.70​
2​
A Kumble1074Pakistan627Delhi1999
19.89​
3​
JC Laker1053Australia572Manchester1956
19.76​
4​
RGD Willis843Australia557Leeds1981
19.75​
5​
GD McGrath824Pakistan532Perth2004
19.60​
6​
RJ Hadlee952Australia531Brisbane1985
19.31​
7​
HJ Tayfield9113England690Johannesburg1957
19.08​
8​
JC Laker937Australia572Manchester1956
19.06​
9​
CEL Croft829Pakistan595Port of Spain1977
18.41​
10​
DE Malcolm957South Africa553The Oval1994
18.30​
11​
Abdur Rehman625England716Abu Dhabi2012
18.27​
12​
Harbhajan Singh884Australia725Chennai2001
18.20​
13​
SJ Harmison712West Indies586Kingston2004
18.06​
14​
M Muralitharan951Zimbabwe468Kandy2002
18.04​
15​
M Muralitharan870England640Nottingham2006
17.96​
16​
JE Taylor511England673Kingston2009
17.93​
17​
JM Patel969Australia614Kanpur1959
17.74​
18​
TE Bailey734West Indies674Kingston1954
17.60​
19​
DW Steyn68Pakistan582Johannesburg2013
17.55​
20​
HMRKB Herath9127Pakistan622Colombo (SSC)2014
17.50​
21​
SCJ Broad617South Africa588Johannesburg2016
17.44​
22​
Yasir Shah841New Zealand664Dubai (DSC)2018
17.41​
23​
PS de Villiers643Australia633Sydney1994
17.41​
24​
ST Gabriel511Pakistan651Bridgetown2017
17.35​
25​
FR Spofforth744England377The Oval1882
17.25​
26​
M Muralitharan965England489The Oval1998
17.25​
27​
SJ Harmison
6​
19​
Pakistan651Manchester2006
17.23​
28​
KAJ Roach58Bangladesh552North Sound2018
17.23​
29​
AME Roberts754Australia576Perth1975
17.20​
30​
AW Greig886West Indies686Port of Spain1974
17.18​
31​
Abdul Qadir616West Indies688Faisalabad1986
17.04​
32​
SK Warne723Pakistan553Brisbane1995
17.02​
33​
Abdul Qadir
9​
56​
England502Lahore1987
17.01​
34​
VD Philander515Australia644Cape Town2011
16.99​
35​
Shoaib Akhtar611New Zealand523Lahore2002
16.94​
36​
M Muralitharan626India647Colombo (SSC)2008
16.94​
37​
WJ Whitty617South Africa475Melbourne1911
16.92​
38​
JB Statham739South Africa510Lord's1955
16.92​
39​
MJ Hoggard
7​
61​
South Africa628Johannesburg2005
16.92​
40​
CEL Ambrose725Australia586Perth1993
16.87​
41​
BJT Bosanquet8107Australia637Nottingham1905
16.87​
42​
MR Whitney727India575Perth1992
16.86​
43​
J Hazlewood58India650Adelaide2020
16.85​
44​
RA Jadeja
7​
48​
England657Chennai2016
16.78​
45​
LR Gibbs
8​
38​
India552Bridgetown1962
16.77​
46​
M Morkel623New Zealand590Wellington2012
16.77​
47​
ND Hirwani875West Indies573Chennai1988
16.75​
48​
VD Philander57New Zealand501Cape Town2013
16.74​
49​
H Verity843Australia567Lord's1934
16.68​
50​
J Srinath621South Africa595Ahmedabad1996
16.65​
51​
Imran Khan
8​
60​
India627Karachi1982
16.65​
52​
CEL Ambrose624England565Port of Spain1994
16.62​
53​
RJ Sidebottom747New Zealand523Napier2008
16.58​
54​
RL Chase
8​
60​
England606Bridgetown2019
16.58​
55​
JA Snow740Australia644Sydney1971
16.56​
56​
Harbhajan Singh529Australia740Mumbai2004
16.52​
57​
HMRKB Herath748India555Galle2015
16.52​
58​
GA Lohmann928South Africa208Johannesburg1896
16.46​
59​
MS Panesar637New Zealand470Manchester2008
16.45​
60​
IT Botham834Pakistan546Lord's1978
16.43​
61​
Imran Khan740England568Leeds1987
16.40​
62​
M Marshall
7​
22​
England525Manchester1988
16.39​
63​
Fazal Mahmood646England629The Oval1954
16.37​
64​
MA Holding892England544The Oval1976
16.37​
65​
GD McKenzie871West Indies616Melbourne1968
16.35​
66​
IT Botham748India612Wankhede1980
16.35​
67​
H Trumble653England573Manchester1902
16.33​
68​
Ajaz Patel10119India600Mumbai2021
16.31​
69​
AA Mailey9121England537Melbourne1921
16.29​
70​
Imran Khan635India628Hyderabad (Sind)1983
16.27​
71​
SNJ O'Keefe635India671Pune2017
16.18​
72​
Sarfraz Nawaz986Australia461Melbourne1979
16.14​
73​
DW Headley660Australia646Melbourne1998
16.13​
74​
M Muralitharan887India456Colombo (SSC)2001
16.11​
75​
ND Hirwani861West Indies573Chennai1988
16.10​
76​
MG Hughes887West Indies680Perth1988
16.09​
77​
MG Johnson768South Africa662Centurion2014
16.08​
78​
IT Botham511Australia566Birmingham1981
16.06​
79​
AR Border746West Indies667Sydney1989
16.06​
80​
Harbhajan Singh7123Australia727Kolkata2001
16.04​
81​
A Kumble8141Australia746Sydney2004
16.03​
82​
BA Reid751England579Melbourne1990
16.03​
83​
MHN Walker615Pakistan516Sydney1973
16.01​
84​
M Morkel520India710Centurion2010
16.00​
85​
RAL Massie853England574Lord's1972
16.00​
86​
GA Lohmann87South Africa156Port Elizabeth1896
15.98​
87​
L Klusener864India527Kolkata1996
15.94​
88​
JN Gillespie737England606Leeds1997
15.93​
89​
CA Walsh
7​
37​
New Zealand504Wellington1995
15.89​
90​
JM Anderson743New Zealand467Nottingham2008
15.87​
91​
KJ Abbott729Pakistan621Centurion2013
15.87​
92​
AR Caddick542Australia675The Oval1997
15.87​
93​
AR Caddick516West Indies611Lord's2000
15.85​
94​
MA Noble
7​
17​
England473Melbourne1902
15.81​
95​
KAJ Roach517England606Bridgetown2019
15.78​
96​
RJ Kirtley634South Africa641Nottingham2003
15.73​
97​
D Gough642South Africa633Leeds1998
15.72​
98​
N Wagner739West Indies520Wellington2017
15.72​
99​
D Bishoo849Pakistan577Dubai (DSC)2016
15.71​
100​
VD Philander621Australia560Johannesburg2018
15.71​
 
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Xix2565

International Regular
Need to fix the formatting for the wickets and runs columns since some are off centre, but otherwise thanks @Days of Grace! Is the column after the team column the rating of the batting lineup?

Love how Roston Chase snuck his way in to 54th.
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Very interesting that Harbhajan's Mumbai spell in 2001 makes the list. He is known much more for the 4 spells in the following 2 tests of the epic series.
 
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