DoG's Test Innings and Bowling Performances. Updates thread.

Victor Ian · Aug 18, 2022

I don't think it's as easy as 5 quality bowlers, no respite, therefore credit. If you have Hadlee who bowls all day, he is worth two ********s who don't give respite. But if you are weighting things now, I think that's probably a non issue.

Anyways, when you have resolved it all, I'd love to see a ranking of strongest bowling attacks. In that top 100 Windies had 800odd with garner, holding, croft and Roberts. I'd like to see if that was ever beaten. 800 odd ranking average is ludicrous.

Days of Grace · Aug 18, 2022

Victor Ian said:
I don't think it's as easy as 5 quality bowlers, no respite, therefore credit. If you have Hadlee who bowls all day, he is worth two ********s who don't give respite. But if you are weighting things now, I think that's probably a non issue.

Anyways, when you have resolved it all, I'd love to see a ranking of strongest bowling attacks. In that top 100 Windies had 800odd with garner, holding, croft and Roberts. I'd like to see if that was ever beaten. 800 odd ranking average is ludicrous.

This attack that played against New Zealand in the final test of 1958 is rated at 802.

	Rating at completion of match	Current peak rating	Adjusted rating
JB Statham	693	810	732
FS Trueman	733	898	788
JC Laker	866	897	876
TE Bailey	727	744	733
GAR Lock	912	912	912

Slifer · Aug 19, 2022

Days of Grace said:
This attack that played against New Zealand in the final test of 1958 is rated at 802.

Rating at completion of match Current peak rating Adjusted rating
JB Statham
693
810
732
FS Trueman
733
898
788
JC Laker
866
897
876
TE Bailey
727
744
733
GAR Lock
912
912
912

Can you do the WI and Pakistan attacks from the 1990 series in Pakistan?? Thanks.

Days of Grace · Aug 20, 2022

Pakistan vs West Indies 1990/91 Innings by innings

	Rating at end of match	Peak career rating	Adjusted rating	Overs bowled
Wasim Akram	765	830	787	23.3
Waqar Younis	710	909	776	22
Abdul Qadir	553	710	605	20
Mushtaq Ahmed	67	827	320	18
			640

Wasim Akram	765	830	787	20.3
Waqar Younis	710	909	776	17
Mushtaq Ahmed	67	827	320	15
Abdul Qadir	553	710	605	8
Shoaib Mohammad	59	124	81	6
Saleem Malik				1
			593

Akram Raza	25	202	84	19
Wasim Akram	772	830	791	17
Waqar Younis	752	909	804	16
Mushtaq Ahmed	65	827	319	4
			521

Wasim Akram	772	830	791	12
Waqar Younis	752	909	804	9
Akram Raza	25	202	84	7.2
Mushtaq Ahmed	65	827	319	1
			602

Wasim Akram	807	830	815	24
Abdul Qadir	528	710	589	18
Waqar Younis	761	909	810	17
Masood Anwar	65	65	65	13.5
Imran Khan	741	922	801	6
			630

Imran Khan	741	922	801	13
Masood Anwar	65	65	65	13
Wasim Akram	807	830	815	9
Waqar Younis	761	909	810	8
Abdul Qadir	528	710	589	4
			584

Pakistan's overall bowling attack ratings were let down by one subpar bowler in almost all their innings.

Days of Grace · Aug 20, 2022

West Indies in Pakistan 1990/91:

	Rating at end of match	Peak career rating	Adjusted rating	Overs bowled
CEL Ambrose	762	912	812	34
CL Hooper	56	425	179	28
IR Bishop	591	840	674	27.2
MD Marshall	861	910	877	24
CA Walsh	754	867	792	19
			658

CA Walsh	754	867	792	12
CL Hooper	56	425	179	11
IR Bishop	591	840	674	7
MD Marshall	861	910	877	5
CEL Ambrose	762	912	812	2
			600

IR Bishop	643	840	709	17.2
CEL Ambrose	772	912	819	17
CA Walsh	753	867	791	10
MD Marshall	864	910	879	8
CL Hooper	55	425	178	2
			764

CEL Ambrose	772	912	819	13
IR Bishop	643	840	709	11
CA Walsh	753	867	791	9
MD Marshall	864	910	879	4.2
CL Hooper	55	425	178	3
			741

CEL Ambrose	804	912	840	20
IR Bishop	731	840	767	19.2
CA Walsh	736	867	780	5
MD Marshall	845	910	867	5
			808

IR Bishop	731	840	767	23
CEL Ambrose	804	912	840	20.4
CA Walsh	736	867	780	19
MD Marshall	845	910	867	19
CL Hooper	64	425	184	15
			714

West Indies attacks were rated highest when Carl Hooper was not bowling loads of overs.

ankitj · Aug 20, 2022

Damn Carl Hooper

Days of Grace · Aug 22, 2022

Here is the updated top 100. Now bowling attacks are assessed based on the ratings (at the end of the match and career peak) of the FIVE bowlers who bowled the most overs in the innings, along with any other bowlers who bowled at least 10% of the overs. In my opinion, this gives a clearer indication of the quality of bowlers that each batsmen faced. It's not perfect (that would be having access to the data for number of balls a batsmen faced from each bowler). However, it is better than the last version (average rating of the bowlers who bowled 10% or more of the innings). I like the look of the top 20 in particular.

Let me know what you think and whether there are any absent innings that you think could make the list.

			Opponent	Bowling attack rating	Venue	Year	Innings rating
1	MDKJ Perera	153*	South Africa	750	Durban	2019	21.07
2	BC Lara	153*	Australia	751	Bridgetown	1999	20.00
3	VVS Laxman	281	Australia	650	Kolkata	2001	19.79
4	GA Gooch	154*	West Indies	764	Leeds	1991	19.63
5	IT Botham	149*	Australia	604	Leeds	1981	19.56
6	Saeed Anwar	188*	India	642	Kolkata	1999	19.53
7	V Sehwag	201*	Sri Lanka	648	Galle	2008	19.36
8	ST Jayasuriya	253	Pakistan	553	Faisalabad	2004	19.26
9	KR Mayers	210*	Bangladesh	523	Chattogram	2021	19.16
10	DG Bradman	270	England	612	Melbourne	1937	19.11
11	BKG Mendis	176	Australia	624	Pallekele	2016	18.87
12	LD Chandimal	162*	India	555	Galle	2015	18.58
13	BA Stokes	135*	Australia	659	Leeds	2019	18.36
14	DPMD Jayawardene	180	England	674	Galle	2012	18.23
15	AC Gilchrist	149*	Pakistan	641	Hobart	1999	18.16
16	GL Jessop	104	Australia	710	TIe Oval	1902	18.12
17	Azhar Mahmood	132	South Africa	690	Durban	1998	18.01
18	CG Greenidge	214*	England	557	Lord's	1984	17.94
19	C Hill	188	England	581	Melbourne	1898	17.81
20	KJ Hughes	100*	West Indies	818	Melbourne	1981	17.75
21	RN Harvey	167	England	721	Melbourne	1959	17.71
22	KS Williamson	242*	Sri Lanka	522	Wellington	2015	17.45
23	MA Butcher	173*	Australia	748	Leeds	2001	17.43
24	BC Lara	213	Australia	699	Kingston	1999	17.36
25	BB McCullum	302	India	578	Wellington	2014	17.33
26	DG Bradman	212	England	647	Adelaide	1937	17.28
27	JE Root	115*	New Zealand	771	Lord's	2022	17.23
28	GC Smith	154*	England	651	Birmingham	2008	17.10
29	ME Trescothick	180	South Africa	678	Johannesburg	2005	16.87
30	DG Bradman	299*	South Africa	426	Adelaide	1932	16.86
31	KC Sangakkara	232	South Africa	672	Colombo (SSC)	2004	16.84
32	KC Sangakkara	156*	New Zealand	624	Wellington	2006	16.84
33	CA Pujara	123	Australia	751	Adelaide	2018	16.82
34	Younis Khan	267	India	633	Bengaluru	2005	16.77
35	JE Root	190	South Africa	692	Lord's	2017	16.74
36	FDM Karunaratne	158*	South Africa	544	Galle	2018	16.60
37	DR Martyn	161	Sri Lanka	643	Kandy	2004	16.60
38	CG Greenidge	213	New Zealand	661	Auckland	1987	16.57
39	Azhar Ali	157	England	698	Dubai (DSC)	2012	16.55
40	GS Chappell	204	India	655	Sydney	1981	16.50
41	CL Walcott	220	England	533	Bridgetown	1954	16.50
42	J Darling	160	England	521	Sydney	1898	16.45
43	DL Amiss	262*	West Indies	520	Kingston	1974	16.42
44	MEK Hussey	134*	Pakistan	611	Sydney	2010	16.38
45	BB McCullum	224	India	591	Auckland	2014	16.36
46	L Klusener	118*	Sri Lanka	566	Kandy	2000	16.34
47	JM Bairstow	162	New Zealand	657	Leeds	2022	16.28
48	RN Harvey	151*	South Africa	495	Durban	1950	16.23
49	Hon.FS Jackson	128	Australia	674	Manchester	1902	16.18
50	SPD Smith	144	England	670	Birmingham	2019	16.14
51	ME Waugh	116	South Africa	562	Port Elizabeth	1997	16.09
52	GS Chappell	182*	West Indies	610	Sydney	1976	16.09
53	VT Trumper	159	South Africa	502	Melbourne	1911	16.07
54	D Elgar	141*	Australia	739	Cape Town	2018	16.04
55	BC Lara	226	Australia	678	Adelaide	2005	16.03
56	KP Pietersen	186	India	680	Mumbai	2012	16.03
57	PHB May	285*	West Indies	544	Birmingham	1957	16.02
58	DM Jones	184*	England	566	Sydney	1987	15.99
59	RT Simpson	156*	Australia	718	Melbourne	1951	15.99
60	SM Gavaskar	221	England	531	The Oval	1979	15.94
61	DG Bradman	334	England	509	Leeds	1930	15.90
62	WR Endean	162	Australia	691	Melbourne	1952	15.88
63	DL Amiss	179	India	651	Delhi	1976	15.86
64	Shahid Afridi	141	India	579	Chennai	1999	15.81
65	MC Cowdrey	102	Australia	682	Melbourne	1954	15.78
66	GS Sobers	168	Australia	634	Sydney	1961	15.77
67	Mohammad Wasim	192	Zimbabwe	444	Harare	1998	15.75
68	AD Nourse	231	Australia	630	Johannesburg	1935	15.73
69	JL Langer	127	Pakistan	641	Hobart	1999	15.73
70	R Dravid	180	Australia	650	Kolkata	2001	15.73
71	R Dravid	233	Australia	553	Adelaide	2003	15.72
72	Hanif Mohammad	337	West Indies	410	Bridgetown	1958	15.71
73	JE Root	186	Sri Lanka	456	Galle	2021	15.69
74	MA Butcher	116	South Africa	668	Leeds	1998	15.66
75	LPRL Taylor	290	Australia	667	Perth	2015	15.64
76	RE Foster	287	Australia	494	Sydney	1903	15.63
77	CG Greenidge	226	Australia	557	Bridgetown	1991	15.62
78	GS Chappell	176	New Zealand	562	Christchurch	1982	15.62
79	V Sehwag	319	South Africa	629	Chennai	2008	15.58
80	NC Johnson	107	Pakistan	656	Peshawar	1998	15.58
81	MJ Clarke	151	South Africa	638	Cape Town	2011	15.58
82	OG Smith	168	England	716	Nottingham	1957	15.48
83	WW Armstrong	159*	South Africa	343	Johannesburg	1902	15.47
84	JJ Lyons	134	England	635	Sydney	1892	15.47
85	RT Ponting	156	England	701	Manchester	2005	15.46
86	DPMD Jayawardene	237	South Africa	612	Galle	2004	15.40
87	JL Langer	191	Pakistan	481	Perth	2004	15.40
88	JO Holder	202*	England	555	Bridgetown	2019	15.40
89	KP Pietersen	158	Australia	753	The Oval	2005	15.39
90	Younis Khan	218	England	699	The Oval	2016	15.37
91	GR Viswanath	97*	West Indies	627	Chennai	1975	15.35
92	CH Lloyd	161*	India	511	Kolkata	1983	15.35
93	BF Butcher	133	England	570	Lord's	1963	15.28
94	CG Greenidge	134	England	529	Manchester	1976	15.26
95	MN Samuels	123	New Zealand	452	Kingston	2012	15.24
96	Saleem Malik	237	Australia	602	Rawalpindi	1994	15.22
97	Inzamam-ul-Haq	329	New Zealand	413	Lahore	2002	15.21
98	V Kohli	153	South Africa	724	Centurion	2018	15.19
99	DG Bradman	226	South Africa	399	Brisbane	1931	15.19
100	B Mitchell	164*	England	460	Lord's	1935	15.19

Socerer 01 · Aug 22, 2022

Love how Kusal Perera’s knock stands tall with a rating of one more than the next best which is the biggest rating gap between any two spots (assuming that the last column is the final rating). Truly outstanding knock and was privileged to manage to catch it live

Slifer · Aug 22, 2022

Days of Grace said:
West Indies in Pakistan 1990/91:

Rating at end of match Peak career rating Adjusted rating Overs bowled
CEL Ambrose
762
912
812
34
CL Hooper
56
425
179
28
IR Bishop
591
840
674
27.2
MD Marshall
861
910
877
24
CA Walsh
754
867
792
19
658
CA Walsh
754
867
792
12
CL Hooper
56
425
179
11
IR Bishop
591
840
674
7
MD Marshall
861
910
877
5
CEL Ambrose
762
912
812
2
600
IR Bishop
643
840
709
17.2
CEL Ambrose
772
912
819
17
CA Walsh
753
867
791
10
MD Marshall
864
910
879
8
CL Hooper
55
425
178
2
764
CEL Ambrose
772
912
819
13
IR Bishop
643
840
709
11
CA Walsh
753
867
791
9
MD Marshall
864
910
879
4.2
CL Hooper
55
425
178
3
741
CEL Ambrose
804
912
840
20
IR Bishop
731
840
767
19.2
CA Walsh
736
867
780
5
MD Marshall
845
910
867
5
808
IR Bishop
731
840
767
23
CEL Ambrose
804
912
840
20.4
CA Walsh
736
867
780
19
MD Marshall
845
910
867
19
CL Hooper
64
425
184
15
714

West Indies attacks were rated highest when Carl Hooper was not bowling loads of overs.

Thank you.

Days of Grace · Aug 23, 2022

Top 10 New Zealand test innings.

1	KS Williamson	242*	Sri Lanka	522	Wellington	2015	17.45
2	BB McCullum	302	India	578	Wellington	2014	17.33
3	BB McCullum	224	India	591	Auckland	2014	16.36
4	LPRL Taylor	290	Australia	667	Perth	2015	15.64
5	MG Burgess	119*	Pakistan	542	Dhaka	1969	14.83
6	JV Coney	111*	Pakistan	453	Dunedin	1985	14.69
7	KS Williamson	161*	West Indies	546	Bridgetown	2014	14.65
8	NJ Astle	222	England	534	Christchurch	2002	14.47
9	BB McCullum	225	India	550	Hyderabad (Deccan)	2010	14.30
10	SP Fleming	274*	Sri Lanka	523	Colombo (PSS)	2003	14.02

ankitj · Aug 23, 2022

Still doesn't sit right with me that the attack Laxman faced is rated 650 while what Parera and Lara faced are rated 750. But Laxman is back in top 5 so that's good!

Xix2565 · Aug 23, 2022

@Days of Grace do you know the highest rating India's bowling attack reached in Tests?

Days of Grace · Aug 23, 2022

Xix2565 said:
@Days of Grace do you know the highest rating India's bowling attack reached in Tests?

I don’t have time to go through all the innings one-by-one, so could you offer some suggestions?

ankitj · Aug 23, 2022

Just checked the scorecard of the Kim Hughes innings at #20. Never knew of this one. Looks like quite a game. Has the highest bowling attack rating in the list. Trundlers like Gomes and Richards were not used so that would have helped. The top 4 cleaned up rest of Australia.

AUS vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Melbourne, December 26 - 30, 1981

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EDIT: Did WI only manage to draw that series because Lillee broke down in the 3rd test (bowled only 8.5 overs across 2 innings)?

TheJediBrah · Aug 23, 2022

ankitj said:
Just checked the scorecard of the Kim Hughes innings at #20. Never knew of this one. Looks like quite a game. Has the highest bowling attack rating in the list. Trundlers like Gomes and Richards were not used so that would have helped. The top 4 cleaned up rest of Australia.

AUS vs WI Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Melbourne, December 26 - 30, 1981

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The percentage of overs bowled by Lillee that game wow

Days of Grace · Aug 23, 2022

ankitj said:
Still doesn't sit right with me that the attack Laxman faced is rated 650 while what Parera and Lara faced are rated 750. But Laxman is back in top 5 so that's good!

Let's look at Australia's attack from Kolkata 2001 again. These are the five members who bowled the most overs.

Warne was nowhere near his career peak. He was still in his late 90s-early 2000s slump. Kasprowicz was still relateely inexperienced, having had a stop-start career up to that point. Gillespie was also slightly off his peak. This four-man attack peaked around 2004/05 before the ashes. Of course, Mark Waugh drags down the overall rating but you could argue that Australia were a spinner light, relying too much on an out-of-form Warne.

Overall, it's a very good attack, but not up to the standards of other attacks that are rated 700+

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Adjusted rating	Overs bowled
GD McGrath	906	914	909	39
MS Kasprowicz	326	611	421	35
SK Warne	623	905	717	34
JN Gillespie	696	812	735	31
ME Waugh	240	295	258	18

Let's compare it to the attack that Lara faced in the 4th innings at Bridgetown in 1999. McGrath, Gillespie and Warne have similar ratings to their Kolkata 2001 versions. The difference is that MacGill was a much higher rated bowler in 1999 that Kasprowicz was in 2001. And Steve Waugh bowled much less overs than his brother did in Kolkata.

	Rating at completion of match	Career peak rating	Adjusted rating	Overs bowled
GD McGrath	864	914	881	44
JN Gillespie	616	812	681	26.1
SK Warne	619	905	714	24
SCG MacGill	700	728	709	21
SR Waugh	305	397	336	5

Xix2565 · Aug 23, 2022

Days of Grace said:
I don’t have time to go through all the innings one-by-one, so could you offer some suggestions?

Let's try these Tests:

IND vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Bengaluru, October 09 - 13, 2010

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Full Scorecard of India vs South Africa 2nd Test 2010/11 - Score Report | ESPNcricinfo.com

Complete Scorecard of India vs South Africa 2nd Test 2010/11, India tour of South Africa only on ESPNcricinfo.com. Find the complete scorecard of India vs South Africa 2nd Test Online

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IND vs ENG Cricket Scorecard, 5th Test at Chennai, December 16 - 20, 2016

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IND vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Bengaluru, March 04 - 07, 2017

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IND vs BAN Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Indore, November 14 - 16, 2019

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get India vs Bangladesh 1st Test, cricket scorecard, ICC World Test Championship 2019-2021 dated November 14 - 16, 2019.

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Full Scorecard of India vs New Zealand Final 2019-2021 - Score Report | ESPNcricinfo.com

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ankitj · Aug 23, 2022

Days of Grace said:
Let's look at Australia's attack from Kolkata 2001 again. These are the five members who bowled the most overs.

Warne was nowhere near his career peak. He was still in his late 90s-early 2000s slump. Kasprowicz was still relateely inexperienced, having had a stop-start career up to that point. Gillespie was also slightly off his peak. This four-man attack peaked around 2004/05 before the ashes. Of course, Mark Waugh drags down the overall rating but you could argue that Australia were a spinner light, relying too much on an out-of-form Warne.

Overall, it's a very good attack, but not up to the standards of other attacks that are rated 700+

Rating at completion of match Career peak rating Adjusted rating Overs bowled
GD McGrath
906
914
909
39
MS Kasprowicz
326
611
421
35
SK Warne
623
905
717
34
JN Gillespie
696
812
735
31
ME Waugh
240
295
258
18

Let's compare it to the attack that Lara faced in the 4th innings at Bridgetown in 1999. McGrath, Gillespie and Warne have similar ratings to their Kolkata 2001 versions. The difference is that MacGill was a much higher rated bowler in 1999 that Kasprowicz was in 2001. And Steve Waugh bowled much less overs than his brother did in Kolkata.

Rating at completion of match Career peak rating Adjusted rating Overs bowled
GD McGrath
864
914
881
44
JN Gillespie
616
812
681
26.1
SK Warne
619
905
714
24
SCG MacGill
700
728
709
21
SR Waugh
305
397
336
5

Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense that attack in Lara test should be rated higher based on contrast between ratings of Kasprowich and Macgill. It's just the influence 5th bowler has that marks down Kolkata attack a bit too much for my liking. If it was upto me I'd use top 4 bowlers only.

I mean Australia were coming off a record streak of 17 or so test wins and they had their best attack available for the Kolkata test. They had also dismissed India for mere 170 in first innings of the same test. So that was a pretty potent attack. A difference of 720 vs 750 would be closer to where I'd imagine those attacks, not 650 vs 750.

honestbharani · Aug 23, 2022

It still somewhat oversells the Kusal Perera innings IMO. The bowlers of that attack had great records but were in varying degrees of slump, career end downward trajectory there. He was also doing a lot more of CBF slogging with #11 for company (a la Stokes Headingley) which was never the case with Lara's knock, which is why i rate it as the easily better knock.

This is a difficulty with your current system DoG. Still this is the best one we have for comparing innings for sure though. ?

honestbharani · Aug 23, 2022

I would actually agree with the 4 bowler idea. Can u just tweak the formula and see how the top 10 innings land @Days of Grace ?

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