Do you think Murali was a chucker?

[Migara]

Na that's horse****. You calling me biased was in reference to nationalism. Any observational/measurement bias is going to be nonspecific, so you can accuse me of having inaccurate views on everyone, but you can't say it's a reason for me singling out Murali over McGrath if (as you allege) they both have the same degree of extension. Personally, I don't think it's that fraught with difficulty to watch slow motion replays and see how much someone's arm bends, but hey if you want to claim I have an inability to judge something like that with any clarity, then go nuts. So we're at a dead end in this discussion, and I have no interest in continuing it.

3D action on 2D planes. What a bright idea to add still more BIAS. looks like you have nothing to say constructive about the subject but keep or regurgitating the age old senile viewpoints.

Finally, if you believe your eye is so superior, just get rid of the third umpire. Line decisions should be a piece of cake compared to chucking.

 

[Migara]

It does not say McGrath extended 12 degrees.

Meh!

Glenn McGrath and Shaun Pollock, usually considered examplars of the classical action, occasionally go over the prescribed tolerance limit, bending their arms by as much as 12 degrees.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It'd be fine as long as three or four cameras are used, though no one can be ****ed tbh.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I don't have full confidence is those measurements to begin with, but in any case I'd like to know what this means and how it might differ between someone like Murali and McGrath:

"occasionally go over the prescribed tolerance limit, bending their arms by as much as 12 degrees."

It's not just about magnitude, but also frequency.

And sorry why am I biased? I don't give a **** about what it would mean Murali's action was 100% clean. Basically the only two reasons I would be biased is because a. I dislike Sri Lankan's for some reason or b. I have some ulterior motive in wanting to belittle Murali's achievements in order to pump up Warne's. The first is just ridiculous, and frankly insulting. The second is no doubt a legitimate reason for many people's criticism of Murali, but I can assure you, and you'll just have to trust me here, while I like watching Warne bowl (who doesn't) I am not an outright fan and couldn't care less where he stands in the pantheon of spin bowlers.

Accuse me of being visually impaired or stupid or whatever else you can conjure up, but please don't call me biased.

You won't get a sensible reply from Migara on this topic. Unless he takes a valium before posting.

 

[uvelocity]

Meh!

I'll go so far as to say that this selective quoting makes you a

barefaced liar

quote in full:

According to Derek Pringle in the Daily Telegraph, Murali is no different from the vast majority of his fellow players. The current law states that there should be no straightening or partial straightening of the bowling arm during delivery, and in-depth research has revealed that even bowlers like Glenn McGrath and Shaun Pollock, usually considered examplars of the classical action, occasionally go over the prescribed tolerance limit, bending their arms by as much as 12 degrees.

The truth is, that the results of the ICC testing, were never made public.

 

[Arachnodouche]

If the difference between 12 degrees and 14 degrees isn't that great, then why does Murali's action look so much uglier compared to McGrath or Pollock?

 

[fredfertang]

Murali can't fully straighten his arm, which doesn't matter as the law doesn't outlaw bowling with a bent arm, just the straightening of it, but that subtlety isn't always appreciated and in any event it means Murali starts from the point that his action doesn't look quite right. As someone has already said the camera doesn't lie, but it can and does mislead - eg my son in law and the headless wicketkeeper!

 

[Prince EWS]

Murali can't fully straighten his arm, which doesn't matter as the law doesn't outlaw bowling with a bent arm, just the straightening of it, but that subtlety isn't always appreciated and in any event it means Murali starts from the point that his action doesn't look quite right. As someone has already said the camera doesn't lie, but it can and does mislead - eg my son in law and the headless wicketkeeper!

 

[Ruckus]

Murali can't fully straighten his arm, which doesn't matter as the law doesn't outlaw bowling with a bent arm, just the straightening of it, but that subtlety isn't always appreciated and in any event it means Murali starts from the point that his action doesn't look quite right. As someone has already said the camera doesn't lie, but it can and does mislead - eg my son in law and the headless wicketkeeper!

yeah that's true, but there is still a considerable degree of straightening even from that slightly bent position imo. It's not necessarily just about the angle per se anyway, it's also about how much energy is going delivery from the elbow. If you look at even something like this, which is just his standard offbreak, imo a lot of the effort going into that is not only coming from his wrist, but also his elbow:Muttiah Muralitharan | Super slow motion footage - YouTube

You can clearly see a sort of 'snapping' back of the elbow, which is characteristic of a throw. You can compare it to footage like this as well, where he his bowling leg breaks, where his arm appears to be much more locked into position (although tbf, because of the different shoulder rotation, it's a bit difficult to properly see his elbow position from behind in the following footage. However I think it's pretty clear there isn't any equivalent 'snapping', because it's probably actually very difficult to even achieve that bowling leg spin). Murali Bowls Leg Spin - Cricket - YouTube

 

[Spark]

My favourite Murali footage is still the one where he bowled in the brace and basically landed every ball perfectly.

 

[Son Of Coco]

3D action on 2D planes. .

It was good enough to get the numbers on every other bowler.

 

[fredfertang]

yeah that's true, but there is still a considerable degree of straightening even from that slightly bent position imo. It's not necessarily just about the angle per se anyway, it's also about how much energy is going delivery from the elbow. If you look at even something like this, which is just his standard offbreak, imo a lot of the effort going into that is not only coming from his wrist, but also his elbow:Muttiah Muralitharan | Super slow motion footage - YouTube

You can clearly see a sort of 'snapping' back of the elbow, which is characteristic of a throw. You can compare it to footage like this as well, where he his bowling leg breaks, where his arm appears to be much more locked into position (although tbf, because of the different shoulder rotation, it's a bit difficult to properly see his elbow position from behind in the following footage. However I think it's pretty clear there isn't any equivalent 'snapping', because it's probably actually very difficult to even achieve that bowling leg spin). Murali Bowls Leg Spin - Cricket - YouTube

I have to concede that his action doesn't look right to me, but Bradman didn't think he was a chucker, and that's good enough for me

 

[Prince EWS]

I have to concede that his action doesn't look right to me, but Bradman didn't think he was a chucker, and that's good enough for me

Bradman didn't think you needed more than four batsmen in a side either.

 

[Spikey]

I didn't read anything at all. I was being ironic. The only part of my post that was ironic. All the rest was more than serious. I've heard (and more importantly seen) every angle there is on this subject. I've come to the decision he chucks, just as Ajmal does now. It's cool, though, chucking, everyone's cool with it now. It's like drugs and free love in the 60's... we all become desensitised to it. It's all like 'go you little chucker, go on!'.

I had to double check this just to make sure this wasn't a parody post I made at 4am. jesus christ.

 

[Spikey]

instead it just turns out john howard got taught how to use the internet

 

[Jono]

My favourite Murali footage is still the one where he bowled in the brace and basically landed every ball perfectly.

Haha yeah. He really was just awesome. Love the bloke to bits.

I also love the Michael Slater "proof Murali doesn't chuck" video where Murali just stands there and doesn't say a word. Just bowls. WAFG

 

[uvelocity]

I also love the Michael Slater "proof Murali doesn't chuck" video where Murali just stands there and doesn't say a word. Just bowls. WAFG

that's the same video isn't it? That video changed my view for sure.

 

[Jono]

Sorry what I meant was I not only love in the video that he bowls it well, but also that he's the subject of the video yet he says nothing

 

[Migara]

I'll go so far as to say that this selective quoting makes you a

barefaced liar

quote in full:



The truth is, that the results of the ICC testing, were never made public.

Then should have said like Chaminda Vaas and Zaheer Khan. Meh!

As much as means up to 12 degrees. Their maximum extension is 12 degrees. Basic maths it is!

 

[Spark]

I didn't read anything at all. I was being ironic. The only part of my post that was ironic. All the rest was more than serious. I've heard (and more importantly seen) every angle there is on this subject. I've come to the decision he chucks, just as Ajmal does now. It's cool, though, chucking, everyone's cool with it now. It's like drugs and free love in the 60's... we all become desensitised to it. It's all like 'go you little chucker, go on!'.

Horrible post, frankly.