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Dhoni vs Akmal

silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
And I'm sure Akmal has done the same before. The fact is that even the best wicketkeepers make really horrific mistakes of simple chances occasionally. Not saying that Akmal is a top class 'keeper, but one mistake is really no fuel for a debate such as this.
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When did I say it was? I was not the one that made that statement that trashed Akmal based on this. I was simply responding to your assertion.

Its a well known fact that I don't rate Dhoni all that highly anyway, and I'd take Akmal any day of the week.
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
He will have to do more than play one sensible innings to come up to a standard where people are saying that he has matured as a batsman, the signs are there he just needs to work on resecuing the innings if India are in a situation like that again.
 
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shankar

International Debutant
Perm said:
He will have to do more than play one sensible innings to come up to a standard where people are saying that he has matured as a batsman, the signs are there he just needs to work on resecuing the innings if India are in a situation like that again.
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This was not the first sensible innings he's played in ODIs. He's done it a few times before.
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Examples? From what I've seen and heard he is pretty reckless and this is the first time he has batted with alot of respsonsibility and grafted an innings rather than trying to hit the ball as hard as he can.
 
PhoenixFire

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Ian Healy made a shocking mistake that lost Australia the game at Karachi. He missed a easy stumping or something. Even the best make mistakes.
 
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shankar

International Debutant
Perm said:
Examples? From what I've seen and heard he is pretty reckless and this is the first time he has batted with alot of respsonsibility and grafted an innings rather than trying to hit the ball as hard as he can.
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Against SL
In Pak 1
In Pak 2

Also 1 innings in WI (very similar to yesterday's inning) which impressed was this.

And like I mentioned in an earlier post the only instance I can remember of him playing a downright stupid shot in ODIs was the match against Aus in Malaysia.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Perm said:
He will have to do more than play one sensible innings to come up to a standard where people are saying that he has matured as a batsman, the signs are there he just needs to work on resecuing the innings if India are in a situation like that again.
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Perm said:
Examples? From what I've seen and heard he is pretty reckless and this is the first time he has batted with alot of respsonsibility and grafted an innings rather than trying to hit the ball as hard as he can.
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Sensible Dhoni knocks which won India games.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/SL_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/SL_IND_ODI4_03NOV2005.html - Comes in at 4-176, sees two wickets fall at the other end including his captain, the last genuine batsman left in the team other than himself is a 19 year old kid, and he guides India to victory at a run a ball with only 3 boundaries.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/IND_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/IND_PAK_ODI3_13FEB2006.html - Well he didn't graft here, but he couldn't. If India wanted to win he had to come out under immense pressure and take them home with some quick runs. Required run rate had almost hit 8, and then he came in and took India home with almost 3 overs to spare. Shows he can handle the pressure.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/IND_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/IND_PAK_ODI5_19FEB2006.html - Comes in with a required run rate of 7. No dramas for Dhoni.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/ENG_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/ENG_IND_ODI6_12APR2006.html - Opened the batting for some reason (India couldn't be bothered with this series as they were already 4-0) and batted till the 39th over. Played very well, without him India would have not even scored 200.

http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...LF/SCORECARDS/IND_PAK_DLF_ODI2_19APR2006.html - Came in at 3. Nudged it around with the odd boundary, good half-century at a strike rate of around 70-80.

http://content-www1.cricinfo.com/wivind/engine/match/239918.html - Again, nudged it around as the pitches were playing slow and low in the WI and were hard to smash runs off. Half-century at a SR under 80.

http://content-www1.cricinfo.com/iccct2006/engine/match/249753.html - Knock against the WI yesterday.

Fact is, people have exaggerated Dhoni and tried to compare him to being as dumb as Afridi which is stupid really, he's not even close. He's played some stupid shots before obviously (Mumbai test, vs. Aus in DLF Cup) but hardly to the extent people have made it look like. Don't listen to SilentStriker about everything, he conveniently forgets the good things Dhoni has done, like win India a million ODIs.
 
Mr Mxyzptlk

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silentstriker said:
When did I say it was? I was not the one that made that statement that trashed Akmal based on this. I was simply responding to your assertion.

Its a well known fact that I don't rate Dhoni all that highly anyway, and I'd take Akmal any day of the week.
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And my assertion wasn't based on your comment. Therefore why do you assume that I'm debating the matter based on something you said?
 
Mr Mxyzptlk

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Dravid said:
Amazing batting from Dhoni yesterday. He seems to be getting more mature.
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Except for the period that he blocked the ball consistently instead of rotating the strike, thus robbing (along with Raina) India of a crucial 15-20 extra runs?
 
Dravid

Dravid

International Captain
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Except for the period that he blocked the ball consistently instead of rotating the strike, thus robbing (along with Raina) India of a crucial 15-20 extra runs?
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Just like how the West Indies batsman kept on defending in the last 25 overs and decided to make a game out of something that should've been won overs ago? Whatever Dhoni did he saved the Indian innings and if you are still going to get on his back for not taking singles then seriously I don't know what Dhoni can do that can satisfy you. At that moment, India's main concern wasn't scoring runs, but stoping the collapse. Everyone get's on his back when he hits the ball, and even when he defends it.
 
Mr Mxyzptlk

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Dravid said:
Just like how the West Indies batsman kept on defending in the last 25 overs and decided to make a game out of something that should've been won overs ago?
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Yes. Poor batting on both counts. I'm glad you understand this.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Except for the period that he blocked the ball consistently instead of rotating the strike, thus robbing (along with Raina) India of a crucial 15-20 extra runs?
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How is that a lack of maturity?

A fault in his ability against spin yes, but its not like it was irresponsible batting.
 
Mr Mxyzptlk

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Jono said:
How is that a lack of maturity?

A fault in his ability against spin yes, but its not like it was irresponsible batting.
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It's not a lack of maturity, but just poor batting. If you're rebuilding an innings on a pitch that, let's face it, wasn't exactly having the ball dart about for the West Indies, at least rotate the strike.
 
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tooextracool

International Coach
Perm said:
Examples? From what I've seen and heard he is pretty reckless and this is the first time he has batted with alot of respsonsibility and grafted an innings rather than trying to hit the ball as hard as he can.
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I think a lot is made about Dhonis recklessness because of that one innings, renowned for Montys fielding. Yes he doesnt have the greatest temperament, but even in the first innings of the very same test match, he top scored for india and scored 60 odd by playing a sensible grafting innings. The problem with Dhoni though is that when the conditions arent suited for batsmen his technique is horrendous, and i dont think he will succeed at all with the bat outside of the subcontinent.
 
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