Dhoni vs Akmal

[silentstriker]

Let me tell you that whenever Bradman got out ,OFF the &*%$in course he would have played STUPID shots .And almost every ball on which a good or a STUPID batsman gets out is called a STUPID shot. And I was pointing out that the reasons why he plays stupid shots more often is because he is not trained enough for the certain pitches IMHO . We need $%&*in better understanding of the pitches by the sub-continent sloggers . And I also &*#$in' said that time will be the judge and ets see how Dhoni improves himself in the future !!!
JEEEEssus!

He plays stupid shots because he is stupid. If you need to be told not to charge down the pitch (twice) when your team is batting for a draw, you are stupid. Its not about learning or shot selection: you are stupid.

 

[FRAZ]

He plays stupid shots because he is stupid. If you need to be told not to charge down the pitch (twice) when your team is batting for a draw, you are stupid. Its not about learning or shot selection: you are stupid.

Came into the side = Stupid
Had impressive run in the ODIs = Stupid

 

[Turbinator]

Fraz got a point there, he's not really stupid just immature and impatient. Immature in the sense that he might've thought he has somehow become a hero before and could do it again in that situation. But he is learning from his mistakes.

 

[FRAZ]

Fraz got a point there,.

'a' means one point for one situation.
EPO mode : Should have said "Fraz always has a point".

 

[Turbinator]

'a' means one point for one situation.
EPO mode : Should have said "Fraz always has a point".

Okay no! Don't get excited there just because you recieved a positive comment from me!

 

[FRAZ]

Okay no! Don't get excited there just because you recieved a positive comment from me!

Sunny! seen it all , done it all . Correcting some one doesn't mean that I wanna jump . Hmm nice try but 'sarcasm' is an art ,perfected by only some .

 

[silentstriker]

Came into the side = Stupid
Had impressive run in the ODIs = Stupid

Yes Fraz, even stupid people sometimes get centuries on flat wickets.

 

[Turbinator]

Sunny! seen it all , done it all . Correcting some one doesn't mean that I wanna jump . Hmm nice try but 'sarcasm' is an art ,perfected by only some .

Mind you but it aint sunny here in Toronto, it's raining!

 

[adharcric]

He plays stupid shots because he is stupid. If you need to be told not to charge down the pitch (twice) when your team is batting for a draw, you are stupid. Its not about learning or shot selection: you are stupid.

Every batsman is "stupid" at some point. Isn't sticking your bat out outside off-stump to drive at a ball without moving your feet (which 75% of international batsmen do today and get out as a result) stupid? Dhoni's problem is that he thinks he's good enough to dominate every opposition in international cricket and that just won't happen because there are good bowlers out there and there are a variety of pitches out there. He definitely is a slow learner in this regard, but stop acting like he's the worst cricketer of all-time. He definitely has a long way to go, but if he actually gets past that one mental flaw the potential is ridiculous. Time will tell how far Dhoni goes.

 

[FRAZ]

1. Every batsman is "stupid" at some point 2.Time will tell how far Dhoni goes.

Well put there adharcric . Thats what I have been trying to say for such a long time . I rest my case ladies and gentlemen !

 

[vic_orthdox]

Dhoni's problem is that he thinks he's good enough to dominate every opposition in international cricket and that just won't happen because there are good bowlers out there and there are a variety of pitches out there. He definitely is a slow learner in this regard, but stop acting like he's the worst cricketer of all-time. He definitely has a long way to go, but if he actually gets past that one mental flaw the potential is ridiculous.

Which pretty much seems to be stupidity...

 

[adharcric]

Which pretty much seems to be stupidity...

Well KP's throwing away starts and Gambhir's waft outside off are also stupidity then. All I'm saying is that most players are stupid in some regard but the telling point is how and whether they learn from it or not. Dhoni has issues but give him time before bashing him like crazy. If he gets dropped from the team in six months because he doesn't learn, go ahead and blast him as an idiotic failure.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well KP's throwing away starts and Gambhir's waft outside off are also stupidity then. All I'm saying is that most players are stupid in some regard but the telling point is how and whether they learn from it or not. Dhoni has issues but give him time before bashing him like crazy. If he gets dropped from the team in six months because he doesn't learn, go ahead and blast him as an idiotic failure.

There's a big difference between playing a rash shot, and playing the situation. Pietersen and Gambhir fall into the former, Dhoni into the latter.

 

[Dravid]

Okay, just about two mins ago, Styris is on strike in the NZ v Pak match. Right so styris plays it to point, and gets in a mixup with Fleming. Ball is thrown in from point to the keeper, Styris tries to go back, but is like half way down the pitch when the ball reaches Akmal. Akmal throws the ball at the stumps are as hell, with his gloves on, and completely misses the stumps. Oh yeah by the way, he was like barely 3 feet away from the stumps...seriously. Possibly the easiest wicket anyone could have gotten this tournament, and Akmal misses it by throwing the ball miles away from the stumps when he was 3 feet away.


I take my comment back about Akmal being a better keeper than Dhoni.

 

[nightprowler10]

Now you're being unfair. You can't make judgements like this on one instance. We must judge them on their overall performance. He does have a lot of pressure on him to perform due to his mistakes in England, and he's letting it get to him.

 

[Dravid]

A good keeper wouldn't let it get to him.

 

[nightprowler10]

A good keeper wouldn't let it get to him.

Agreed. A professional cricketer wouldn't. But how do you know Dhoni wouldn't either.

 

[Dravid]

Agreed. A professional cricketer wouldn't. But how do you know Dhoni wouldn't either.

Because I still have to see Dhoni miss the stumps from 3 feet away.

 

[nightprowler10]

Because I still have to see Dhoni miss the stumps from 3 feet away.

On the same token, you have seen Dhoni dance down the track when his team needed him to be sensible, yet Akmal in the same situation made a century.

 

[shankar]

There's a big difference between playing a rash shot, and playing the situation. Pietersen and Gambhir fall into the former, Dhoni into the latter.

But there are quite a few innings where he has come in at difficult times and played sensible match-winning knocks. In fact, the immediate innings after his 183* where he thrashed the S.Lankan bowlers round the park, he played a contrasting innings of restrain and saw India home in a tight chase. In fact the only inning I can recall of him playing a stupid shot, in ODIs is in the match against Aus in Malaysia.

So I dont think it's a problem of assessing the situation and playing accordingly. I think he lacks the 'touch shots' for 1s and 2's at this stage and when he fails to get into rhythm at times, he has no other option but to go for his shots. So I think it's more a technical problem than a mental one.