Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

[Coronis]

Fun fact also looking at that lol

Younis in the Windies 5 innings 279 runs @ 69.75 vs Walsh and Ambrose (averaged 20 and 19 that series)
Jayawardene 7 innings 294 runs @ 42.00 vs. Collymore, Edwards and Taylor lol

 

[ankitj]

Why is Yousuf rated so low? He and Chanderpaul have very poor reputations on this board among batsmen with 50+ average.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Why is Yousuf rated so low? He and Chanderpaul have very poor reputations on this board among batsmen with 50+ average.

Poor longevity compared to other 50+ batsmen and poor record against Aus, SA, and SL

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Why is Yousuf rated so low? He and Chanderpaul have very poor reputations on this board among batsmen with 50+ average.

Poor longevity compared to other 50+ batsmen and poor record against Aus, SA, and SL

Probably also that he had one absolutely amazing year rather than many consistently top quality years.

 

[Bolo.]

FTB, minnow basher, and mostly played in an easy era too.

 

[Coronis]

FTB, minnow basher, and mostly played in an easy era too.

I’d still rather have a batsman who can succeed both in and outside of Asia, rather than someone like Mahela, who is only a threat in Asia.

 

[Bolo.]

I’d still rather have a batsman who can succeed both in and outside of Asia, rather than someone like Mahela, who is only a threat in Asia.

Mahela is pretty poorly regarded too for someone who scored a mountain of runs at his average.

Not sure who I think is better.

 

[CricAddict]

Mahela is pretty poorly regarded too for someone who scored a mountain of runs at his average.

Not sure who I think is better.

Mahela and Yousuf are quite equals, isn't it? Also, I think Sehwag and Warner have the opener credits plus strike rate credits. Else, they are of similar category too.

 

[Bolo.]

Mahela and Yousuf are quite equals, isn't it? Also, I think Sehwag and Warner have the opener credits plus strike rate credits. Else, they are of similar category too.

I put Sehwag a level above despite his scoring rate, not because of it.

Warner took HTBing a bit too seriously for this company for me, despite opener tax.

 

[BazBall21]

I’d still rather have a batsman who can succeed both in and outside of Asia, rather than someone like Mahela, who is only a threat in Asia.

Mahela was significantly better than Yousuf in Asia though. I'd probably still take Yousuf but think it's debatable when he wasn't very good in India&Sri Lanka while Mahela was a colossus in Asia.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Mahela and Yousuf probably played most of their cricket in Asia as well so their records there are a bit more important

 

[Coronis]

So to satisfy my own curiousity re: SR

Average: 50.45
Opener Average: 46.23
Top 10 Average: 52.95
Top 25 Average: 50.02
Top 50 Average: 50.57

Bradman 61.0
Tendulkar 54
Hobbs 51
Sobers 52
Hutton 38.3
Lara 60.5
Richards 69.0
Smith 53.5
Gavaskar 45
Hammond 45.2
Sutcliffe 37.3
Headley 44.0
Ponting 58.7
Kallis 46.0
Chappell 51
Border 41.0
Sangakkara 54.2
Pollock 55.9
Waugh 48.4
Barrington 41.1
Dravid 42.5
Weekes 59
Nourse 42.7
Miandad 47
Younis 52.1
Walcott 53
Williamson 51.4
Root 56.5
Kohli 55.6
G. Smith 59.7
de Villiers 54.5
Compton 41.2
Harvey 50
Boycott 35.4
Greenidge 50
Trumper 67.1
Flower 45.1
Worrell 42
Sehwag 82.2
May 40
Kanhai 49
Amla 50.0
Crowe 44
Lloyd 60
Hayden 60.1
Inzamam 54.0
Simpson 44
Hill 59
Chanderpaul 43.4
Mitchell 30.9
Gooch 49
Clarke 55.8
Jayawardene 51.5
Laxman 49.4
McCabe 61.5
Lawry 38.8
Pietersen 61.7
Cowdrey 39
Morris 42
Gower 50