honestbharani
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***** Vs OS - Civil Waaahh...
Whose side are you on?
Whose side are you on?
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CW decides the greatest All-Rounder ever, 64 man knockout tournament: Voting Thread
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weldone
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This is weird.
OverratedSanity
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lol'd at Civil Waaahh
viriya
International Captain
I was saying my votes were an attempt to show how nonsensical it is to combine formats when rating. It was a protest in other words.
I was weighing ODI performance to be 99% of my criteria because it is up to the individual to determine what weighting to consider.. showing how it doesn't make sense to combine formats when rating players. Especially when most players have not played all formats.
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kyear2
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I know most may disagree with me, but when looking at all rounders, I factor in all 3 phases of the game. I also believe that batsmen like Chappell who were exceptional in the cordon can also be seen as all rounders as much as a no. 8 batsman who averages in the 20's.
I am pretty sure that a Sobers / Chappell /Hammond contributed as least as many victories with their catching in the cordon as Hadlee / Pollock / Imran did with their batting.
So when you have a Sobers, Kallis or Hammond who are ATG batsmen, great 5th bowlers and elite slip fielder's they come out OK top for me as all rounders and cricketers overall.
I am pretty sure that a Sobers / Chappell /Hammond contributed as least as many victories with their catching in the cordon as Hadlee / Pollock / Imran did with their batting.
So when you have a Sobers, Kallis or Hammond who are ATG batsmen, great 5th bowlers and elite slip fielder's they come out OK top for me as all rounders and cricketers overall.
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Who said that it does?
harsh.ag
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See the problem with this is you aren't looking at opportunity cost. Sure a lesser fielder in their place would probably drop 1-catch/2-tests more than them on average, but in saying this you're assuming they would be absolute ****e.
Lillian Thomson
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Sobers currently leading by 17 votes to 5.
SuperMurali
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Sobers
Victor Ian
International Coach
Miller for me. Miller was in the top half of the teams bowling attack (he opened bowling). He was also in the top half of batting (top 5 batsmen). Sobers was clearly the better batsman, but I have never been convinced he was anywhere near the bowler Miller was, and, Bowlers win matches. I have heard many anecdotal accounts of how Miller threw his wicket away because his batting didn't matter, and he didn't care about the personal side of things. He was lucky that he was in Bradman's team where the score was already on the board when he batted. It's easier to find a top class bat to fill out Miller's shortcomings there than a top flight bowler. Sure, Sobers will win, and I'm comfortable with that, but I think Miller's bowling was worth more than Sobers' batting and would choose Miller because of that.
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Sobers. One of the prime contenders for second best batsman, gun fielder, versatile bowler, and produced several amazing all-round series in his peak period. Also, I looked up his bowling workload a while back and noticed that he bowled more balls per match than someone like Imran Khan who was a frontline bowler. Sure, he also bowled spin which is easier on the body, but it's still a huge workload for a player to put into his weaker discipline.
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cnerd123
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He was also the stock/holding bowler as a spinner back in his early days, to allow WI to attack with the font-line bowlers. He deliberately bowled dry and held up an end. It's the 'penalising a player for doing the job his team needed' argument again. He had much better figures in series where he bowled swing.
Victor Ian
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Sobers 'might' be the second best batsman ever but he is not even remotely near being a Bradman. The difference between 2nd best and 20th best is meh. The difference between the 2nd best bowler and 20th best ever is meh. Bradman aside, I'd take the front line bowler any day of the week over a front line batsman.
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Yeah but Miller wouldn't find a place in the top 20 bowlers ever.
Victor Ian
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Sigh. You just don't want to get my point, do you? 2nd best to 50th best batsmen, not much between them. 2nd best to 50th best bowler - not much between them. You choose the batsman and enjoy all the draws. I'll take Miller and enjoy the moments he wins me games as any top class bowler does.
Sobers is going to win, and probably rightly so.
Sobers is going to win, and probably rightly so.
honestbharani
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I can understand the sympathy votes for Miller (I myself did that in the fielders' poll for Viv over Punter) given that he was a rockstar before rockstar-like sportsmen became cool, but it is clear why Sobers is considered the best allrounder of all time by the majority of the cricketing world and now, I guess, CW.