Curtly Ambrose vs Dale Steyn

[Sliferxxxx]

Gilchrist is one of only three players who I consider a lock for a selection in an ATG XI. He was a complete freak who combined great batting with great keeping in a way literally no one in the history of cricket has. Guys like Marshall/Sachin/Viv may be greater cricketers but the other contenders for their spot are definitely close to them.

Agreed. Just that some of us pick and choose who we want to think is infallible. As much as one can replace a McGrath/Hadlee/Marshall with any of Wasim/Imran/Ambrose/Steyn one can replace Sachin/Viv with any of Kallis/Lara/Smith/Hammond/ etc. I assume that you consider Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers as locks??

 

[Johan]

I have seen the video months ago. I respect Kimber generally but lost all respect for him on the topic when I saw it. He paused when he was asked too, I don't think he'd ever thought about it properly and chose to say that to launch into a discussion about batting roles.

Yeah I don't think he could've genuinely meant it, I think he really did just say it so he can get into the discussion of batting order and roles as that's an easier discussion than the technicalities of Wicket keeping.

 

[Coronis]

Pardon my ignorance but if McGrath and Marshall are just about even, why not pick him over McGrath seeing that he's significantly better with the bat.

I mean personally I like to have them both and I’m not saying I would necessarily pick McGrath over Marshall if given a choice between the two. Even if I give McGrath a slight edge atm, its similar to say, Murali and Warne for me, practically even so if forced to pick between the two (which fortunately doesn’t occur for the pacers but sadly does for the spinners), I’ll go with the one with better batting.

But like I said in that post, I would much rather lose Marshall from my XI than Gilchrist, as the replacements are far closer in quality in Marshall’s case.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I assume that you consider Bradman, Gilchrist and Sobers as locks??

Absolutely

 

[Coronis]

Everything is proceeding exactly as I have foreseen.

Technically you mean “Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.”

 

[Johan]

Technically you mean “Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.”

oh for **** sakes

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I mean personally I like to have them both and I’m not saying I would necessarily pick McGrath over Marshall if given a choice between the two. Even if I give McGrath a slight edge atm, its similar to say, Murali and Warne for me, practically even so if forced to pick between the two (which fortunately doesn’t occur for the pacers but sadly does for the spinners), I’ll go with the one with better batting.

But like I said in that post, I would much rather lose Marshall from my XI than Gilchrist, as the replacements are far closer in quality in Marshall’s case.

Oh ok.

 

[Coronis]

Oh ok.

Yeah that was the whole basis of discussion iirc.

 

[The Sean]

Speaking of Kimber, he was doing the podcast rounds about this time last year promoting a book he was putting together to - statistically based on his cricketing analytics system - rank the 50 greatest Test batsmen. I see that the book is due for release in May but is now called: The Art of Batting - The Craft of Cricket's Greatest Runscorers.

The blurb suggests it is still about the 50 greatest batsmen, but seems to indicate it is more about the stories behind their batsmanship and runscoring success rather than a ranking by analytics:

"Through interviews with cricketing greats such as David 'Bumble' Lloyd, Nasser Hussain, Rahul Dravid and Brian Lara, this book shows you the science, skill and culture that made the 50 greatest batters of all time - and, ultimately, how they conquered leather with willow."

I guess I'll see if I can get a look at it in May and let you know.

 

[DrWolverine]

The Art of Batting - The Craft of Cricket's Greatest Runscorers.

The blurb suggests it is still about the 50 greatest batsmen, but seems to indicate it is more about the stories behind their batsmanship and runscoring success rather than a ranking by analytics:

An analytical book will not sell a lot

 

[Coronis]

An analytical book will not sell a lot

Definitely not a pure analytical book.

My ideal cricket based book would be akin to Bill Simmons’ Book of Basketball - sadly outdated however, though mentioned on his podcasts as “updates” rather than an actual updated book.

 

[The Sean]

It may be that he has still ranked the fifty according to his analytics system, but has fleshed each entry out with stories about the player behind the numbers. Which would be a good balance, I think.

 

[subshakerz]

Do not understand why a discussion between Kimber and Bumble should be authoritative. They do come up with nonsense at times.

I am sorry for bringing up Kimber a few months ago and Kyear picked on him and has been using him ever since.

 

[subshakerz]

As if yours are any better? So what if Gilchrist makes most teams, each and everyone of us is entitled to our opinions. And you have your own share of double talk when it suits your agenda.

So you agree Kyear does double talk got it.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I am sorry for bringing up Kimber a few months ago and Kyear picked on him and has been using him ever since.

Kimber is fun but his analysis are almost always a bit flawed.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

So you agree Kyear does double talk got it.

And we agree you do it too, everyone does so you need to get off your high equine.

 

[akilana]

So you agree Kyear does double talk got it.

thanks for admitting you do that too.

 

[subshakerz]

Speaking of Kimber, he was doing the podcast rounds about this time last year promoting a book he was putting together to - statistically based on his cricketing analytics system - rank the 50 greatest Test batsmen. I see that the book is due for release in May but is now called: The Art of Batting - The Craft of Cricket's Greatest Runscorers.

The blurb suggests it is still about the 50 greatest batsmen, but seems to indicate it is more about the stories behind their batsmanship and runscoring success rather than a ranking by analytics:

"Through interviews with cricketing greats such as David 'Bumble' Lloyd, Nasser Hussain, Rahul Dravid and Brian Lara, this book shows you the science, skill and culture that made the 50 greatest batters of all time - and, ultimately, how they conquered leather with willow."

I guess I'll see if I can get a look at it in May and let you know.

I'm looking forward to reading it.

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[subshakerz]

thanks for admitting you do that too.

I never did actually. I think agree or disagree folks know where I stand.

 

[subshakerz]

Kimber is fun but his analysis are almost always a bit flawed.

I respect his analysis because at least he does his homework and presents an argument.