Cummins/Smith vs Lillee/Chappell vs Warne/Ponting

[subshakerz]

Maybe the WPM.

WPM for some odd reason seems to be downplayed on CW recently.

Ambrose's average is the one that tis overrated.

 

[subshakerz]

Either Barnes is the best ever or we should rank him behind the dozen or so usually listed great bowlers.

My argument too.

 

[DrWolverine]

Barnes was ahead of his peers and his stats are so damn good that he should be the greatest bowler ever. I can understand if someone is hesitant to rank him because he played the sport when it was just starting but silly to rank him between few of the greats and not ahead or behind all

 

[subshakerz]

Barnes was ahead of his peers and his stats are so damn good that he should be the greatest bowler ever.
But I can understand if someone is hesitant to rank him because he played the sport when it was just starting.

He was another pre war superman we have to have an asterisk on his record.

 

[DrWolverine]

That’s the reason I don’t rank these pre war statistical outliers and also don’t compare them to modern day greats

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah except he wasn't as skillful or nearly as penetrative a bowler and much more reliant on his pace to get wickets which showed as soon as his pace declined, unlike Lillee who took 5WPM all stages of his career even after back injury.

And by more spread out you are referring to a handful of series in NZ, SA and Pak where he took 3WPM. It's not like Steyn who won game everywhere.

All I see is a bunch of excuses for Lillee basically doing everything at home (where he wasn't even that Great), in England and a minnowish NZ; while sucking horse balls in Pakistan. Now add a 3 run lower average and yeah....... No.

 

[DrWolverine]

And by more spread out you are referring to a handful of series in NZ, SA and Pak where he took 3WPM. It's not like Steyn who won game everywhere.

True

 

[capt_Luffy]

Maybe the WPM.

Ambrose averages 3 points lower.

 

[Johan]

He was another pre war superman we have to have an asterisk on his record.

Atleast he became a pre war Superman by skill, not by being a two buck cheat like Imran.

 

[subshakerz]

All I see is a bunch of excuses for Lillee basically doing everything at home (where he wasn't even that Great), in England and a minnowish NZ; while sucking horse balls in Pakistan. Now add a 3 run lower average and yeah....... No.

Pakistan is a low series sample and that too a scandalous dead pitch series nobody got wickets.

England he was legit awesome. As he was in Australia I don't even know why you bring that up.

You guys are so easily influenced by low averages it's kinda sad honestly.

Get it through heads: A low average doesn't compensate for low wicket taking capacity.

 

[Johan]

That’s the reason I don’t rank these pre war statistical outliers and also don’t compare them to modern day greats

how many times do I need to slap and Subs down on this nonsense for you two to learn how to shut up and keep it to yourself. I get it, not all of us can have good takes, but atleast don't publically spread this brainrot.

 

[subshakerz]

Atleast he became a pre war Superman by skill, not by being a two buck cheat like Imran.

Yes just a cheat in an era of cheats.

 

[Johan]

and just for reference

Barnes
189 @ 16.43
Other English
305 @ 29.59

Murali
800 @ 22.73
Other Lankans
1,168 @ 36.50

and guess whose record the tards bitch about?

 

[subshakerz]

shut up and keep it to yourself

No. And I wasn't even going into the argument, it just a throwaway sentence. Don't know why you need to get so worked up and in a fit. Chill.

 

[sayon basak]

Yes just the biggest cheat in an era of cheats.

True.

 

[Johan]

Yes just a cheat in an era of cheats.

True, If I drive to a pub right now, someone as talented in bowling as Imran would be serving me my drinks, really a different era.

 

[sayon basak]

No. And I wasn't even going into the argument, it just a throwaway sentence. Don't know why you need to get so worked up and in a fit. Chill.

But weren't you the one who brought Barnes out of nowhere?

 

[Johan]

No.

Stop spreading disinformation smh, this is the type of stuff Trump won an election because of.

 

[subshakerz]

True, If I drive to a pub right now, someone as talented in bowling as Imran would be serving me my drinks, really a different era.

You gotta learn how to control yourself when your favorites get critiqued. Argue the merits, please don't freakout like you did with Hobbs.

 

[subshakerz]

But weren't you the one who brought Barnes out of nowhere?

Um, no?