Brian lara vs Steve Waugh

[subshakerz]

2 series.

2001: 3 Tests. 76 and 65 in Wankhede, 126 in Chennai

2005: Was out with an injury and not supposed to play that series. Was called in mid series to prevent humiliation. Played 2 Tests, 55 in a tough Wankhede pitch.

Nothing wrong in Tendulkar's output against McGrath with context. Do solidly good series in 99 and 2001.

 

[subshakerz]

@subshakerz plus, if teen excuse works, I'm just gonna make the excuse for the 98 series that Lara had zero interest in playing and was leading a player strike and thus being distracted from the actual tour.

Lol you think that unprofessional attitude reflects well on Lara as some type of valid excuse?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

2 series.

2001: 3 Tests. 76 and 65 in Wankhede, 126 in Chennai

2005: Was out with an injury and not supposed to play that series. Was called in mid series to prevent humiliation. Played 2 Tests, 55 in a tough Wankhede pitch.

That's good and all but no one ever gives the same leeway to Lara for his travails in the late 90s due to his eye issues or damaged shoulder or hamstring issues etc.

 

[Johan]

Lol you think that unprofessional attitude reflects well on Lara as some type of valid excuse?

You think rebelling against the establishment is unprofessional even with a seemingly valid reasoning?

 

[subshakerz]

Donald had plenty of success against Sachin, 5 dismissals in 20 innings vs 6 dimissals in 20 innings, the gap is minimal, Sachin getting dismissed by McMillan and Cronje is not something I'm going to give him points for, Donald has shown he is more than capable of taking prime Sachin out.

Huh? You are switching. First you consider prime only, as in 93 onwards, then you don't when it doesn't you.

Overall with context prime Donald was bottomline more successful against Lara even if Tendulkar and Lara had similar output against SA. Tendulkar also scored tons, Lara didn't. You can be stingy and fault Tendulkar for faling to Cronje, who cares.

They are not the same.

 

[subshakerz]

You think rebelling against the establishment is unprofessional even with a seemingly valid reasoning?

Sorry if he let off field issues like that affect his game, it doesn't reflect tell on him.

Here is what Donald himself thought about him then.

Donald slams 'unprofessional' Lara

The World Cup is still nine days away but the mind games and verbal jousting have begun in earnest, with South Africa's champion speedster Allan Donald aiming his first bouncer at the West Indies captain Brian Lara.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Johan]

Huh? You are switching. First you consider prime only, as in 93 onwards, then you don't when it doesn't you.

Overall with context prime Donald was bottomline more successful against Lara even if Tendulkar and Lara had similar output against SA. Tendulkar also scored tons, Lara didn't.

Okay, I'm gonna ignore the 1993 series on the account of Sachin being a teenager and I'll ignore the 1998 West Indies series on the account of Lara being uninterested and not wanting to play at the first place.

Tendulkar also scored tons, Lara didn't. You can be stingy and fault Tendulkar for flking to Cronje, who cares.

They are not the same.

Scoring tons mean nothing unless he's winning games, he isn't, going by average it's the exact same, you can apply whatever context you wish to, at the end of the day, 20 innings 5 dismissals at 32 average vs 20 innings 6 dismissals 34 average.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

You think rebelling against the establishment is unprofessional even with a seemingly valid reasoning?

I don't know if you're new here but you'll realize very fast that Subz has a vendetta for whatever reason vs the following players and will go out of his way to denigrate them even in face of reasonable arguments: Lara, Ambrose, Kallis, Ashwin, Smith, Steyn etc.

I'll give you a prime example of this using just Brian Lara. Now we all agree Lara is a atg and one of the best players ever vs spin and much of this is due to his exploits vs the two greatest spinners ever: Murali and Warne. But that's not good enough for Subz, he posted a video of Lara being cautious vs Murali as some sort of evidence that Lara was not as assured as he's made out to be. Duh, against a spinner as good as Murali you have to be careful early on. His point was that Sehwag was never that way, lies (I've seen Sehwag being cautious myself) and thus better. Now I agree , Sehwag was better vs spin but Subz just can't accept that it is with in the realm of possibility that some people think Lara is better. Apparently, people aren't allowed to have their own opinions.

 

[Johan]

Sorry if he let off field issues like that affect his game, it doesn't reflect tell on him.

Here is what Donald thought about him then.

Donald slams 'unprofessional' Lara

The World Cup is still nine days away but the mind games and verbal jousting have begun in earnest, with South Africa's champion speedster Allan Donald aiming his first bouncer at the West Indies captain Brian Lara.

www.theguardian.com

Lol, this is just Donald being rightfully pissed as Lara let the issues of WICB effect that series as a captain.

'I lost all respect for him as a captain last winter,' Donald said. 'I've known Brian since 1992 and I was saddened to see how he had changed over the years. I found it difficult even to have a conversation with him during the West Indies tour of South Africa.' Donald said the Indian maestro Sachin Tendulkar was 'in a different class from Lara as a professional cricketer... Tendulkar is pulling away from Lara every year as the best batsman around'.

also, didn't Lara make his all time XI and not Sachin? lol, talk about a temper tantrum

 

[subshakerz]

Okay, I'm gonna ignore the 1993 series on the account of Sachin being a teenager and I'll ignore the 1998 West Indies series on the account of Lara being uninterested and not wanting to play at the first place.

Lol in what universe is being uninterested and throwing away your wicket make you a better cricketer?

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel with these arguments.

 

[subshakerz]

I don't know if you're new here but you'll realize very fast that Subz has a vendetta for whatever reason vs the following players and will go out of his way to denigrate them even in face of reasonable arguments: Lara, Ambrose, Kallis, Ashwin, Smith, Steyn etc.

Oh God not this again...

Smith is a new one though.

 

[Johan]

Lol in what universe is being uninterested and throwing away your wicket make you a better cricketer?

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel with these arguments.

Lol in what universe did I say the 98 series makes Lara a better Cricketer than Tendulkar

 

[subshakerz]

Lol, this is just Donald being rightfully pissed as Lara let the issues of WICB effect that series as a captain.

He is talking about Lara's entire approach to cricket which he compares unfavorably to Tendulkar

 

[Johan]

He is talking about Lara's entire approach to cricket which he compares unfavorably to Tendulkar

again, who made Donald's all time XI, Lara or Tendulkar

 

[subshakerz]

Lol in what universe did I say the 98 series makes Lara a better Cricketer than Tendulkar

The point is that you are using him allowing off field issues to affect his game to write off his flaws.

 

[Johan]

The point is that you are using him allowing off field issues to affect his game to write off his flaws.

Yeah because that's what I think happened, if you think Lara is a dickhead for that, whatever.

 

[subshakerz]

again, who made Donald's all time XI, Lara or Tendulkar

Lol you are becoming Kyear here with your ATG XI fixation.

Tendulkar 100: Allan Donald interview

'Consistency is the factor that makes Tendulkar special. He is often spoken about in the same breath as Brian Lara, but as far as I am concerned, the comparison does not even begin. Lara is not half as consistent as Tendulkar and lacks the discipline of the latter. The left-hander plays in a more loose manner and is not that controlled or patient during the first 20 minutes of his innings.'

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah because that's what I think happened, if you think Lara is a dickhead for that, whatever.

No, just unprofessional.

 

[Johan]

Lol you are becoming Kyear here with your ATG XI fixation.

Tendulkar 100: Allan Donald interview

'Consistency is the factor that makes Tendulkar special. He is often spoken about in the same breath as Brian Lara, but as far as I am concerned, the comparison does not even begin. Lara is not half as consistent as Tendulkar and lacks the discipline of the latter. The left-hander plays in a more loose manner and is not that controlled or patient during the first 20 minutes of his innings.'

this was made when Tendulkar was 29 aka from 20 years ago, in a recent interview he said Tendulkar was technically the best while calling Lara brilliant himself and a genius instead of dissing him, back to square one.

 

[Johan]

No, just unprofessional.

Okay, you viewing Lara as unprofessional is also whatever