Brian Lara vs Ricky Ponting (against pace bowling)

[Coronis]

Habibul > Crowe.

Definitely more of a one man army

 

[Sliferxxxx]

What people fail to appreciate is the actual runs Lara scored (not his average) is pretty decent. Chanderpaul for example averages 51 but actually scored 42 runs per innings. Lara averaged 52.89 but actually scored 51.5 runs per innings.

 

[pardus]

To the unbelievers:

The ACS – The ACS

stats.acscricket.com

Wow…

 

[Fanboy375]

Two guys with some problems with pace, but Ponting destroys express pacers which Lara didn't do well as that's well documented even from Michael Holding, while Lara destroys medium pacers and Ponting has struggled against a decent amount of medium pacers who rely on sideways movement. so this isn't just about Donald/Akhtar or about Anderson/McGrath type bowlers but about pace bowling as a whole.

Yeah also Sachin is bad vs medium pace but good vs extreme pace and spin

 

[Narayana]

Yeah also Sachin is bad vs medium pace but good vs extreme pace and spin

The best test batsman against extreme pace is obviously Virat Kohli, Never seen him getting out against bouncers, Yorkers etc

 

[OverratedSanity]

The best test batsman against extreme pace is obviously Virat Kohli, Never seen him getting out against bouncers, Yorkers etc

That's because bouncers and Yorkers are options bowlers go to when plan A isn't working and against Kohli it usually does.

 

[subshakerz]

The best test batsman against extreme pace is obviously Virat Kohli, Never seen him getting out against bouncers, Yorkers etc

ABD is better.

 

[Fanboy375]

It doesn't matter if you are good vs spin or good vs pace.You have to be at least playable vs both unless you will struggle in some condition.If you can't be balance in both try not to be below average in one

 

[Johan]

The best test batsman against extreme pace is obviously Virat Kohli, Never seen him getting out against bouncers, Yorkers etc

Viv.

 

[sayon basak]

What people fail to appreciate is the actual runs Lara scored (not his average) is pretty decent. Chanderpaul for example averages 51 but actually scored 42 runs per innings. Lara averaged 52.89 but actually scored 51.5 runs per innings.

There are only 8 batters with RPM>90 (two of them will most likely get out of the list in the future)
Don Bradman= 134.54
George Headley= 99.545
Graeme Pollock= 98.086
Harry Brook= 95
Yashasvi Jaiswal=94.63
Everton Weekes= 92.81
Kumar Sangakkara= 92.53
Brian Lara= 91.244

 

[DrWolverine]

There are only 8 batters with RPM>90 (two of them will most likely get out of the list in the future)
Don Bradman= 134.54
George Headley= 99.545
Graeme Pollock= 98.086
Harry Brook= 95
Yashasvi Jaiswal=94.63
Everton Weekes= 92.81
Kumar Sangakkara= 92.53
Brian Lara= 91.244

Isn’t runs per innings better? Do you have a list?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Isn’t runs per innings better? Do you have a list?

Someone had a post about this very thing the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

 

[sayon basak]

Isn’t runs per innings better? Do you have a list?

50+ RPI (Qualification:- 1100+ runs):-
Don Bradman= 87.45
Harry Brook= 57.03
Graeme Pollock= 55.02
Everton Weekes= 55
George Headley= 54.75
Herbert Sutcliffe= 54.23
Kumar Sangakkara= 53.21
Jack Hobbs= 53.04
Ken Barrington= 51.95
Wally Hammond= 51.77
Brian Lara= 51.52
Clyde Walcott= 51.32
Len Hutton= 50.51
Garfield Sobers= 50.2

 

[Johan]

Hutton>

 

[Sliferxxxx]

50+ RPI (Qualification:- 1100+ runs):-
Don Bradman= 87.25
Harry Brook= 57.03
Garfield Sobers= 56.45
Graeme Pollock= 55.02
Everton Weekes= 55
George Headley= 54.75
Herbert Sutcliffe= 54.23
Kumar Sangakkara= 53.21
Jack Hobbs= 53.04
Ken Barrington= 51.95
Wally Hammond= 51.77
Brian Lara= 51.52
Clyde Walcott= 51.32
Len Hutton= 50.51

That can't be accurate for Sobers. He scored 8032 runs and played in 160 innings therefore: 8032÷160= 50.2. Am I missing something?

 

[Coronis]

Isn’t runs per innings better? Do you have a list?

Runs per innings and wickets per innings are better measures imo (though not perfect themselves ofc)

In terms of RPI - Players above 50

Bradman 87.45
Brook 57.03*
Pollock 55.02
Weekes 55.00
Headley 54.75
Sutcliffe 54.23
Sangakkara 53.22
Hobbs 53.04
Barrington 51.95
Hammond 51.78
Kambli 51.62
Lara 51.52
Walcott 51.32
Hutton 50.51
Sobers 50.20

And some other notables

Jaiswal 49.94*
Williamson 49.87*
Smith 49.01*
Tendulkar 48.39
Voges 47.90
Kallis 47.46
Gavaskar 47.30
Chappell 47.09
Richards 46.92
Root 46.66
Ponting 46.61
Dravid 46.46
Kohli 43.95*
Border 42.17
Waugh 42.02

 

[sayon basak]

That can't be accurate for Sobers. He scored 8032 runs and played in 160 innings therefore: 8032÷160= 50.2. Am I missing something?

Yeah you're right. Thanks.

 

[Coronis]

Yeah you're right. Thanks.

You also mixed up Bradman’s number

 

[Narayana]

That's because bouncers and Yorkers are options bowlers go to when plan A isn't working and against Kohli it usually does.

Best batsman against extreme pace -
Virat Kohli is actually the best.
Smith was invincible till 2020 , but after Jofra Archer incident, he is struggling against pace extreme bowlers like wood,Nortje etc.

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[Narayana]

Runs per innings and wickets per innings are better measures imo (though not perfect themselves ofc)

In terms of RPI - Players above 50

Bradman 87.45
Brook 57.03*
Pollock 55.02
Weekes 55.00
Headley 54.75
Sutcliffe 54.23
Sangakkara 53.22
Hobbs 53.04
Barrington 51.95
Hammond 51.78
Kambli 51.62
Lara 51.52
Walcott 51.32
Hutton 50.51
Sobers 50.20

And some other notables

Jaiswal 49.94*
Williamson 49.87*
Smith 49.01*
Tendulkar 48.39
Voges 47.90
Kallis 47.46
Gavaskar 47.30
Chappell 47.09
Richards 46.92
Root 46.66
Ponting 46.61
Dravid 46.46
Kohli 43.95*
Border 42.17
Waugh 42.02

Did Lara followed this pattern to maintain 50+ rpi ?
Lara scored 400 in one and failed repeatedly in other 4-5 then again one daddy hundred then repeated failure .
Like jaiswal , Whenever he scores 100 , he managed to score daddy hundreds like 160+ ,150 + so it hides his failures.