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Brett Lee is Rubish!
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Langeveldt
Soutie
Pah, that is dross if ever ive heard itRik said:
Give some examples (that arent helped by overseas players and colonial guys on grandmothers passports)
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Bugger Netscape lost it :!(Langeveldt said:Pah, that is dross if ever ive heard it
Give some examples (that arent helped by overseas players and colonial guys on grandmothers passports)
Right:
Derbyshire: Cork, Dean, Welch
Durham: Harmison, Killeen, Wells (Hamilton if he starts bowling again bowls)
Essex: Cowan, Clarke, Stephenson (Irani if he can bowl)
Glamorgan: Jones, Thomas, Davies
Gloucestershire: Smith, Lewis, Averis, Alleyne
Hampshire: Mullally, Tremlett, Taylor, Morris (untill recently Giddins)
Kent: Saggers, Trott, Sheriyar, Hewitt
Lancashire: Chapple, Martin, Anderson, Hogg, Flintoff, Wood
Leicestershire: DeFreitas, Dagnall, Maddy, Grove, Masters
Middlesex: Gannon, Cook, Bloomfield, Hutchinson, Betts
Northants: Anderson (Rikki), Baker, Cousins, Greenidge, Cawdron, Phillips
Notts: Franks, Logan, Sidebottom, Shreck, Harris
Somerset: Caddick, Johnson, Jones, Laraman, Tucker, Andrew, Francais (until recently Bulbeck)
Surrey: Bicknell, Clarke, Ormond, Tudor, Murtagh, Sampson, (occasionally Hollioake, Butcher)
Sussex: Kirtley, Lewry, Martin-Jenkins, Robinson, Yardy
Warwickshire: Brown, Richardson, Sheikh, Wagg
Worcestershire: Ali, Liptrot, Leatherdale, Malik
Yorkshire: Gough, Hoggard, Kirby, Silverwood, White (if he bowls), McGrath
Not a single overseas or EU passport player there. I certainly think Yorkshire at full strength have a stronger all-round seam attack than England. Maybe I was being a bit extravigant but a lot of these teams have players who have performed better than the England seamers and I'm pretty sure couldn't do worse.
Eclipse
International Debutant
Lehmann is a quality player so an avrage of 70 over long period's does not supprise me.Richard said:
Never the less a quality quick bowler who bowl's short of a length and get's bounce outside offstump will trouble Lehmann.
He rarely play's a deffensive shot to those kind off ball's early on he just nibel's at them with an angeld bat.
tricked me into thinking "just kidding about the just kidding about the just kidding".
:duh:
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The really sad thing is there are lots of bowlers who I would say have real potential in there but still average 30 or close to.Rik said:
There are, naturally, some donkeys too (the whole Northants lot, Wagg, Malik, Andrew, Shreck, Grove, Trott, Davies, to name a few).
And assuming you're talking last season, because Morris, Leatherdale and Robinson have retired.
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
Lee is flying Lillee out from Perth (with his own money) to help him.Jono said:Sorry to get this thread back on topic () but apparently Bret Lee has requested help from Dennis Lillee regarding his bowling.
Lillee is a miracle worker but even he will have his hands full.
SquidAU
First Class Debutant
Brett Lee had some bad luck in the Sydney test and so he gets flogged around the park....but I also would lose confidence form the fact that I missed out on wickets because of no balls and poor catching!
I think he put pressure on himself to perform because there was no Glen McGrath to back him up and he had to be the wicket taker, so to speak. So, he screwed up....everyone does!
I think he put pressure on himself to perform because there was no Glen McGrath to back him up and he had to be the wicket taker, so to speak. So, he screwed up....everyone does!
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
I didn't take retirements into account, since Cricinfo hasn't updated teams yet, but I tried to remember all the player movements. As for Leatherdale, I was at his benefit game against Condover not that long ago, d'oh!Richard said:
Rikki Anderson of Northants, I wouldn't count him as a donkey, just inconsistant, and exciting and talented to boot. Darren Cousins is a fine bowler whenever he's not injured. Andrew is a youngster, as is Malik and Wagg, far too early to judge them. Shreck just had his 1st season of CC after playing in Minor Counties, pretty big step up, shown promise. Trott had a good 2001, but has been injured in the last few years and struggled to get a place due to signings like Sheriyar taking his place.
As for the comment about averaging 30, out of the players I mentioned, and excluding the mainly part-time seamers in that list, off the top of my head there are at most 15 players who average 30 or more, and they are mainly backup seamers.
Players like Kevin Dean (Derbyshire) and Jon Lewis (Gloucestershire) are dangerously under-rated and constantly ignored.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Too early to judge the definate potential of the like of Wagg, Malik and Andrew, yes, but suffice it to say they're all totally rubbish ATM.
I've never really rated Anderson, occasional good performance but he's been playing for ages now and never really been consistent.
Dean and Lewis have good averages and are far better than most people seem to think, but their economy-rates always disappoint me.
Some people might say I set too high standards but I find it dangerous also to look at average alone - economy-rate always plays a part, and very, very few bowlers average under 27 and economy out at under 3.
For me this is a neccesity for the step-up to be a likelihood.
I've never really rated Anderson, occasional good performance but he's been playing for ages now and never really been consistent.
Dean and Lewis have good averages and are far better than most people seem to think, but their economy-rates always disappoint me.
Some people might say I set too high standards but I find it dangerous also to look at average alone - economy-rate always plays a part, and very, very few bowlers average under 27 and economy out at under 3.
For me this is a neccesity for the step-up to be a likelihood.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Yes, he missed-out on three dismissals due to bad luck (all of the same batsman) but in no way can wickets off no-balls be construed as unlucky for the bowler.:!(SquidAU said:
If it were just something that had happened in one Test all these attempted excuses would be fine, but the fact is, this Test is just a slight amplification of the last 3 years. Lee is useless and this has been proven more emphatically than usual in the most recent Test.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Strange, Cricinfo says it's 10-1-29-1.SquidAU said:
He doesn't seem to be anywhere near the bowler he was a few months ago, the Tests against India have definately dented his confidence because against a team that weak, you would expect more than just 1 wicket. Also I wouldn't read too much into the econ, he mainly bowled to Dion Ebrahim and Grant Flower, the 2 most defensive Zimbabwean batsmen.