Brad Hogg as a test match option

[Prince EWS]

I'm being very dumb here... when was that?

Haha Richard. World Cup final.

 

[Richard]

Ah, thought it may be.

Didn't take any real notice of that game, TBH. Was at work and made no real effort to follow as I found it eminently predictable.

 

[Matt79]

Well you've only missed the second biggest cricketing controversy of the last 5 years...

 

[Richard]

*Cough*SouthAfricaColumbo*Cough*

 

[Matt79]

5 years... and its a toss up imo in any case

 

[Richard]

SA in Columbo was only last year, TBH, but yeah, I suppose it would be.

SA was off-field, though, which always makes it a bit more *big* (Cameron? Ritchie?) in my mind.

 

[Matt79]

Woops - really? It seems like years ago. Time flies and all that...

 

[pup11]

I think Hogg should Australia's second best spin option in test-matches after MacGill for a while, i think Hogg should only be brought into the test team if MacGill is not performing or if Australia is planning to play 2 spinners.



Lolz @ Ponting's comments, he said that he was glad they were able to complete the 3 overs that day itself, otherwise he would have found it hard to find guys to bowl 3 overs the next day.

 

[Perm]

SA in Columbo was only last year, TBH, but yeah, I suppose it would be.

SA was off-field, though, which always makes it a bit more *big* (Cameron? Ritchie?) in my mind.

I won't give you the satisfaction of making your prediction come true.

 

[Perm]

I think Hogg should Australia's second best spin option in test-matches after MacGill for a while, i think Hogg should only be brought into the test team if MacGill is not performing or if Australia is planning to play 2 spinners.

How can you say this? I doubt any situation will demand that the Australians will need to play two spinners in the near future, not until Cullen Bailey or Dan Cullen develops a bit more. Australia's current spinners are either getting on in age (MacGill, Hogg) or too young (Bailey, Cullen).

 

[pup11]

Perm, haven't Australia played Warney and MacGilla in the same team when the conditions were spin friendly.


So why shouldn't they play both George and MacGilla in the same team in spin friendly conditions, because i think they would be a terrific combination to have if they bowl well.

 

[chaminda_00]

Perm, haven't Australia played Warney and MacGilla in the same team when the conditions were spin friendly.


So why shouldn't they play both George and MacGilla in the same team in spin friendly conditions, because i think they would be a terrific combination to have if they bowl well.

There has been more times when there has been spin friendly conditions that Australia choose to play the extra seamer over the MacGill and Warne combination. I seriously doubt Australia will play two spinners in the near future. There a lot more chance they would play four seamers (five if you include Watson), then two spinners.

 

[Matt79]

And tbf, at the moment, neither Hogg nor any of the other prospects are as good as MacGill was when he was chosen as the second spinner.

Unless the conditions are really favourable for spin and one of the seamers is performing badly I don't see it happening.

 

[pup11]

I think the prime reason for Aussies not picking MacGill was that they believed Warney could do the job on his own and Warney was also never comfortable with MacGill or for that matter any other spinner playing alongside him.



Btw, whenever MacGill and Warney have played together in the same team MacGill has had better figures than Warney (on most of the occasions).

 

[Perm]

Perm, haven't Australia played Warney and MacGilla in the same team when the conditions were spin friendly.

So why shouldn't they play both George and MacGilla in the same team in spin friendly conditions, because i think they would be a terrific combination to have if they bowl well.

Because Warne and MacGill were a far more formidable partnership than MacGill and Hogg will ever be. Warne is possibly the greatest spinner ever, while MacGill regularly outbowls him when given the chance. At the moment MacGill is out of form and Hogg averages over 40 in FC cricket with the ball, hardly good stuff.

 

[Dydl]

Because Warne and MacGill were a far more formidable partnership than MacGill and Hogg will ever be. Warne is possibly the greatest spinner ever, while MacGill regularly outbowls him when given the chance. At the moment MacGill is out of form and Hogg averages over 40 in FC cricket with the ball, hardly good stuff.

Warne was occasionally outbowled by MacGill, but more often than not Warne outplayed him when they bowled in tandem. MacGill seems a deadset choice to replace Warne, but Hogg would be in the back of the selector's minds after the World Cup, even though it's Test vs ODI. He played for Aus in Tests in about 2004 vs West Indies and bowled Brian Lara around the legs, if I remember correctly (Hogg that is).

 

[Perm]

Warne was occasionally outbowled by MacGill, but more often than not Warne outplayed him when they bowled in tandem. MacGill seems a deadset choice to replace Warne, but Hogg would be in the back of the selector's minds after the World Cup, even though it's Test vs ODI. He played for Aus in Tests in about 2004 vs West Indies and bowled Brian Lara around the legs, if I remember correctly (Hogg that is).

Actually that's incorrect, Warne was generally outbowled by MacGill (ie he took less wickets). There have been numerous statistical investigations that prove as much. Whether MacGill actually bowled better, well that is a different question entirely.

Bowling Brian Lara around the legs does not make him a good choice to be playing Test match cricket. The way Lara shuffles across the crease then he is quite succeptible to a leg stump yorker, as numerous fast bowlers over the years have demonstrated. He doesn't come across as much to the spinners, but one good piece of bowling doesn't make a bowler.

 

[pup11]

If George's Pura Cup performances this season are good then he should be given a chance in the test matches too if MacGill is not performing.


MacGill is definietly Australia's no.1 spin option in test matches atm, but in current circumstances George is next best option after MacGill in test matches too, untill the likes of Cullen, Bailey, Hauritz or Heal step up.

 

[luffy]

It's a bit unfortunate that we have so many good young spinners but they are all not ready yet for International Cricket IMO.

 

[Pup Clarke]

untill the likes of Cullen, Bailey, Hauritz or Heal step up.

Which may be never.