Best bowling actions

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

ajit agarkar bowls at a farily hostile pace, usually above 85 mph. pollock hasnt reached 85 mph for a long time.

AA generally bowls in the low 80s these days. Well, when I've seen him anyway.
My initial point referred to Pollock in his prime though.

 

[Richard]

i think it does, since 2001 hes struggled on most flat tracks.....

Has indeed - but equally there have been occasions (such as Sri Lanka) where he's been very effective on them.
I don't think his struggling has to do with a loss of pace, because the two don't coincide.

 

[SJS]

or another case of misleading stats, some people just cant get over it. he was a fine bowler, no doubting that before 2001. after that hes been decent.

As ususal TEC

Did I say Pollock is TODAY a better bowler than McGrath or any such thing ??

But its okay, I always know where you come from so I understand.

 

[tooextracool]

As ususal TEC

Did I say Pollock is TODAY a better bowler than McGrath or any such thing ??

did i say that you said that?
all i said was that hes extremely overrated today.

 

[tooextracool]

Has indeed - but equally there have been occasions (such as Sri Lanka) where he's been very effective on them.
I don't think his struggling has to do with a loss of pace, because the two don't coincide.

err in the first part of your post you said that he has struggled since 2001, and then you said that they dont coincide.

 

[Prince EWS]

I like Mohammed Rafique's action, and Travis Friend's.

 

[Richard]

err in the first part of your post you said that he has struggled since 2001, and then you said that they dont coincide.

His loss of pace doesn't coincide with 2001, which was about when he started to struggle on flat wickets.

 

[tooextracool]

His loss of pace doesn't coincide with 2001, which was about when he started to struggle on flat wickets.

as ive said before, his loss of pace does coincide with 2001. he lost at least 3-4 mph then and went from 83-84 to 79-80 and i think that makes a serious difference to any fast bowler let alone one that isnt exactly the tallest.

 

[Richard]

Of course it can make a difference but he didn't lose pace in 2001, that's borne-out by his speedgun readings - it was something like an average of 80.3mph in 1998, 80.1 in 1999, 80.4 in 2000 (his consistency of speed is remarkable as his of line and length), 79.7 in 2001, 79.1 in 2002, 79.4 in 2003 and the Test they gave it in was the first in 2004, so it was for a single game, and it was 77.3 (clearly a misleading drop, given the consistency of previous years).

 

[tooextracool]

Of course it can make a difference but he didn't lose pace in 2001, that's borne-out by his speedgun readings - it was something like an average of 80.3mph in 1998, 80.1 in 1999, 80.4 in 2000 (his consistency of speed is remarkable as his of line and length), 79.7 in 2001, 79.1 in 2002, 79.4 in 2003 and the Test they gave it in was the first in 2004, so it was for a single game, and it was 77.3 (clearly a misleading drop, given the consistency of previous years).

and of course you get these averages from?
from what ive watched pollock has been visibly slower since 2001, and its reflected on the speedometer for most of his deliveries.

 

[Nate]

Brett Lee that dam underachever.

He must have close to the perfect action for a fast bowler besides the fact he does not deliver the ball form a high enough angle.
I mean it's quite close to perfect he always manages to get the seam in a perfect possition, gets nice and close to the stumps and has a very smooth and tidy run up and delivery stride.


Jason Gillespie has a nice action now days as well. much shorter run up but even with his short run up his speed's when fully fit are low to mid 140's

It seems he has fixed that now (thank goodness) as he is getting right up there and delivering the ball for a very high point. cant wait for tomorows game, may he smash the Kiwis.

I love Dizzy`s action, McGrath`s, Warne`s, Lee`s, Bracken`s , and even Mashrafe Mortaza`s, he doesnt do a lot wrong.

 

[Eclipse]

It seems he has fixed that now (thank goodness) as he is getting right up there and delivering the ball for a very high point. cant wait for tomorows game, may he smash the Kiwis.

I love Dizzy`s action, McGrath`s, Warne`s, Lee`s, Bracken`s , and even Mashrafe Mortaza`s, he doesnt do a lot wrong.

I dont know if he has fixed it.. I'll be very interested to see how well he goes tomorrow..

What interestes me is Lee's bowling pre- shoulder operation.. his figures where supurb and he was infact quite miserly.. even looking back at past Sheild game's he played before he made the Australian team and his figures where always very economical.. it's certainly very hard to explain.

 

[Son Of Coco]

It seems he has fixed that now (thank goodness) as he is getting right up there and delivering the ball for a very high point. cant wait for tomorows game, may he smash the Kiwis.

I love Dizzy`s action, McGrath`s, Warne`s, Lee`s, Bracken`s , and even Mashrafe Mortaza`s, he doesnt do a lot wrong.

Apparently he's done some work with Lillee on shortening his delivery stride as well, so it'll be interesting to see how he goes. I'd love to see some fire and a few vicious deliveries - without a lot of runs being taken off him.

 

[Richard]

and of course you get these averages from?
from what ive watched pollock has been visibly slower since 2001, and its reflected on the speedometer for most of his deliveries.

They showed them during the Centurion Test against West Indies - at Pollock's request I shouldn't wonder, given how sick he must get of telling people who refuse to listen that he's lost pace.
It's amazing how misleading personal memories of speeds can be - if I judged Dwayne Bravo on the speeds I remember seeing displayed last year I'd think he was fractionally above medium, when in fact his average is easily over 80.

 

[Richard]

Apparently he's done some work with Lillee on shortening his delivery stride as well, so it'll be interesting to see how he goes. I'd love to see some fire and a few vicious deliveries - without a lot of runs being taken off him.

Lillee seems to have done work with him at least 2 or 3 times.
Not much seems to have had effect so far.

 

[Richard]

I dont know if he has fixed it.. I'll be very interested to see how well he goes tomorrow..

What interestes me is Lee's bowling pre- shoulder operation.. his figures where supurb and he was infact quite miserly.. even looking back at past Sheild game's he played before he made the Australian team and his figures where always very economical.. it's certainly very hard to explain.

The only real explanation is that something during that period had a very profound effect on him.
Whether it was the actual operation or something else, we can only guess.

 

[Nate]

Styris` action is currently ****ing me off. I dont like Nehra`s either.

 

[Richard]

What the hell's wrong with them? I can see the similarity, but why would a bowling action annoy you?

 

[tooextracool]

They showed them during the Centurion Test against West Indies - at Pollock's request I shouldn't wonder, given how sick he must get of telling people who refuse to listen that he's lost pace.
It's amazing how misleading personal memories of speeds can be - if I judged Dwayne Bravo on the speeds I remember seeing displayed last year I'd think he was fractionally above medium, when in fact his average is easily over 80.

but you'd rather judge his speed based on that one test in centurion
ive seen many tests lately where hes bowled a lot below 80 mph, notably in SL where he was bowling at 75-76 mph.

 

[Richard]

but you'd rather judge his speed based on that one test in centurion

No, I'd rather judge him on the yearly average speeds that were shown during this Test.
See?

ive seen many tests lately where hes bowled a lot below 80 mph, notably in SL where he was bowling at 75-76 mph.

Yes, lots of bowlers bowl slower in Sri Lanka than in South Africa - something to do with the heat being just a little energy-sapping if you're not used to it.