Best batsman after Lara and Sachin

[FRAZ]

Hmmmmmmmm Researchhh

 

[nookie_lk]

Jayasuriya isn't even in the top 20, let alone top 3 batsmen in the world.

donno how he became the 3rd highest run scorer in the history of one day cricket ???

 

[Swervy]

Actually , the Aussies have had to bat 4th as many as 116 times in the 168 matches SRW played in.

Steve Waugh scored the following in his 4th innings outings:

10 , 19 , 26 , 3 , 21* , 4 , 4* , 4 , 47* , 26 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 14 , 18 , 6 , 34 , 27 , 15* , 30* , 28 , 15 , 18* , 38 , 24 , 1* , 67 , 14 , 14 , 6 , 80.


Steve Waugh has batted 31 times in those matches with 613 runs at an average of 25.54 with 2 fifties and the highest score of 80 coming in his last ever innings.

Australia have won 10 , drawn 8 and lost 13 of those 31 tests when Steve Waugh batted in the 4th innings.

And most of those 10 victories came after the 99 WC.

Prior to the 99 WC , aus managed to win just 2 , draw 6 and lose 10 of the 18 tests when Steve waugh batted in the 4th innings.

31 innings isnt a few by any means , and points to a certain deficiency.

you have to take these figures into the right context....what are other players 4th innings averages..i would take a guess that most are relatively low.

Also that one about Australias record when he had to bat in the 4th innings....statistically more teams lose when batting in the 4th innings,so it doesnt really mean that much

 

[Deja moo]

you have to take these figures into the right context....what are other players 4th innings averages..i would take a guess that most are relatively low.

Probably so , but Steve Waughs fourth innings average is half of his career average in all innings .

Also that one about Australias record when he had to bat in the 4th innings....statistically more teams lose when batting in the 4th innings,so it doesnt really mean that much

I realize that too , but there was one more purpose in my mentioning the split before and after the 99WC .....

The win-loss ratio reverses from 2-8 to 8-3 after the 99 WC. The 99 WC was a time when Australia really picked up their game and began dominating everyone else .A major factor was the appearance of Gilchrist on the test scene , and perhaps improved batting performances by the lower order( though I havent checked that out).....Cosequently 4th innings performances underwent a dramatic upturn after the 99 WC.

A lot of people attribute match saving (or winning )qualities to SRW alone. but the statistics seem to suggest that a major part was played by the improvement in the lower order batting .

This point I raise to explain the public perception of Sachin being a choker.

As Steve Waughs 4th innings performances remain almost steady during both periods I have considered , and yet the teams results dramatically changed , hence it goes to show how much of a role the lower order has to play.

Sachin has not recieved the kind of support SRW has from the lower order , hence the perception of being a choker.

 

[Swervy]

Probably so , but Steve Waughs fourth innings average is half of his career average in all innings .



I realize that too , but there was one more purpose in my mentioning the split before and after the 99WC .....

The win-loss ratio reverses from 2-8 to 8-3 after the 99 WC. The 99 WC was a time when Australia really picked up their game and began dominating everyone else .A major factor was the appearance of Gilchrist on the test scene , and perhaps improved batting performances by the lower order( though I havent checked that out).....Cosequently 4th innings performances underwent a dramatic upturn after the 99 WC.

A lot of people attribute match saving (or winning )qualities to SRW alone. but the statistics seem to suggest that a major part was played by the improvement in the lower order batting .

This point I raise to explain the public perception of Sachin being a choker.

As Steve Waughs 4th innings performances remain almost steady during both periods I have considered , and yet the teams results dramatically changed , hence it goes to show how much of a role the lower order has to play.

Sachin has not recieved the kind of support SRW has from the lower order , hence the perception of being a choker.

yeah you might be right...but you also have to think that a lot of match winning or saving does actually happen in the 3rd innings of a match as well..and maybe even in the second sometimes

Isnt the accusation of Tendulkars choking (which I dont agree with in the slightest) more about the one day game though???

 

[Deja moo]

Headley.George 4th innings average : 89.00 (career ave:60.83) , 1x100 and 0x50 . HS : 223. ( very few innings ...he played only 22 matches )

Bradman 4th innings average : 73.40 (career ave: 99.94) , 3x100s and 4x50s .HS: 173*

Gavaskar 4th innings average : 58.25 (career ave : 51.12) , 4x100s and 8x50s .HS : 221.

Hobbs.Jack 4th innings average : 57.58 (career ave:56.94) , 2x100s and 6x50s . HS: 126*

Kallis.J 4th innings average : 52.25 (career ave :53.75) , 1x100 and 5x50s . HS: 101.

Dravid 4th innings average: 52.18 (career ave: 58 ?), 1x100 and 6x50s .HS: 103*

Chappell.Greg 4th innings average : 49.14 (career ave :53.86) , 1x100 and 4x50s . HS : 109*

Viv Richards 4th innings average: 47.94 (career ave: 50.23) , 2x100s and 6x50s .HS :109*

Inzamam 4th innings career average : 47.06 (career ave :49.63) , 1x100 and 5x50s . HS : 138*

Hammond.W 4th innings average: 46.46 (career ave:58.45) , 1x100 and 3x50s . HS: 140.

Hayden 4th innings average : 46.38 (career ave: 58.14) , 1x100 and 4x50s .HS: 101*

Langer.J 4th innings average : 43.52 (career ave : 44.98) , 2x100s and 4x50s . HS :127.

Atherton.M 4th innings average : 41.66 ( career ave: 37.69) , 2x100s and 9x50s .HS : 185*

Waugh.Mark 4th innings averafe : 41.00 (career ave: 41.81) , 2x100s and 2x50s . HS : 116.

Lara 4th innings average : 39.11 (career ave: 52.84) ,2x100s and 7x50s . HS: 153*

Kirsten.G 4th innings average : 38.61 (career ave :45.27) , 0x100 and 6x50s . HS : 76.

Ganguly 4th innings average : 38.26 ( career ave : 42.07) , 1x100 and 2x50s . HS: 101*

Vaughan.M 4th innings average : 36.25 (career ave: 45.50) , !x100 and 2x50s . HS: 105.

Thorpe.G 4th innings average:36.20 (career ave:44.39) ,1x100 and 4x50s .HS: 104*

Ponting 4th innings average : 35.91 (career ave:54.33) , 1x100 and 1x50 .HS: 100*

Sachin 4th innings average : 35.73 (career ave: 57 ?), 2x100s and 2x50s .HS:136 vs Pakistan.

Laxman 4th innings average : 33.91 (career ave :46.54) , 0x100 and 3x50s . HS: 74.

Fleming.s 31 and 38...

Waugh.S 4th innings average : 25.54 (career ave: 51.06) , 0x100 and 2x50s . HS: 80.


( only some players I've searched for.....might have missed out on many good ones)

 

[FRAZ]

HMMMMM MORE RESEARCHhhhh .
Good one .Any ways

 

[masterblaster]

donno how he became the 3rd highest run scorer in the history of one day cricket ???

I think everybody is implying about Jayasuriya now. The standard of batting is so high nowadays, and despite Jayasuriya being so dangerous, he's not in the league of Ponting, Dravid, Hayden, Kallis

 

[nookie_lk]

true hes not in his best form nowadays...but Jayasuriya is definitely withing the best in the world...the amount of records he has set proves it.

 

[Waughney]

If only he was more consistent.....

 

[Dasa]

At any rate, I would define the best batsmen in the world by what they've done in Tests, not ODIs, and in that case, I cannot see how Jayasuriya could even approach the top 10 or perhaps even top 20.

 

[nookie_lk]

oh well u have to except the fact the ODI's are part of international cricket...
and also jayasuriya's test record is not crap anyways...specially his HS 340 against india
but i agree that he hasnt done much in the recent past

 

[Dasa]

Oh he's certainly not crap, but he isn't 'great' either. ODIs are a part of top level cricket, however, they don't really sort out great batsmen from good ones...

 

[marc71178]

Actually , the Aussies have had to bat 4th as many as 116 times in the 168 matches SRW played in.

52 actually.

 

[marc71178]

donno how he became the 3rd highest run scorer in the history of one day cricket ???

Because he's played so many games.

His One Day Average says far more about his ability than his aggregate.

31.93.

 

[Hit4Six]

where would you guys rate aravinda de silva in a list then?

 

[Sanz]

Definately above Sanath Jaisuriya. One batsman we are forgetting is Andy Flower very underrated

 

[Anil]

where would you guys rate aravinda de silva in a list then?

best batsman ever from sri lanka....one of the classiest players of his era....

 

[marc71178]

Definately above Sanath Jaisuriya. One batsman we are forgetting is Andy Flower very underrated

I think we forget him because although he was a very good player, he never really attained the sort of level of SRT and BCL.

 

[a10khan]

If some one sees Khan as the member name then it is not necessary to trip the posts of the new guy . He may be a Khan from The eastern part of South Asia ..
Any ways a10khan , Welcome to this CW community and I hope you are gonna enjoy this as much As we all do ...

thanx fraz... i am a khan from Pakistan