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Battle of the Test captains

silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Taylor

Its funny though, if the rest of you stick to your criteria, then Ranatunga should win since he won with a lot less talented team than Taylor. But like I said, you guys just end up voting for the guy you like, not the best guy.
 
Beleg

Beleg

International Regular
SJS said:
Imran was a tough boss. In Pakistan that can well mean dictatorial. Anyone who has followed Pakistan cricket over the years can see why anyone but a no nonsense captain is what will work for Pakistan specially.
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'Dictatorial' and 'no nonsense' are two totally different things altogether.

The only man who brought a semblence of discipline to Pakistan cricket AS WELL AS made sure no one impinged on his autonomy, it was Imran.
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A preposterous claim, at best. Imran Khan had his fair share of dissidents, several of them had very justified causes. A captain is not a dictator and if he assumes total control of what goes and who doesn't go then he is grossly overstepping his boundaries.

That was his major contribution. The talented Pakistani team, made to concentrate on the job at hand with team objectives in mind was quite capable of doing the rest for him.
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The Pakistani team was not 'Imran's' team. They represented the country of Pakistan.

This no easy task to do. Tough and no nonsense leaders are important in a game which is curiously a team game where individuals contribute individually by and large towards the team objectives. This breads individualism. Thus cricket needs tougher captains anyway. Pakistani environment makes it an absoulte MUST.
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A good captain does not hold decade long grudges against some of the best talent in the country. He does not put himself before the team and certainly doesn't act if he owns the team. Imran Khan was arrogant to a fault. While his administrative powers were considerable, his constant struggle to control all aspects of Pakistani cricket from a post that game him no such prerogative was distateful at best and criminally selfish at worst.

To chieve it as Imran did is no mean achievement and THIS aspect of his captaincy has to be lauded and not demeaned as if his toughness somehow made him a 'lesser' captain
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His toughness did not make him a lesser captain, his attitude did.

Look at the mess in Pakistani cricket (inspite of absolutely briliant individuals) and the obious truth of this is staring you in the face.
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The 'absolute truth' has nothing to do with Imran's captaincy. Your absolute truth is nothing more then meaningless hyperbole. If Imran Khan was such a dedicated servant of the team then why the hell didn't he assume control of the PCB, god knows he had been offered the post several time.
 
Slow Love™

Slow Love™

International Captain
silentstriker said:
Taylor

Its funny though, if the rest of you stick to your criteria, then Ranatunga should win since he won with a lot less talented team than Taylor. But like I said, you guys just end up voting for the guy you like, not the best guy.
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Most people are happy to make subjective judgements and express an opinion. Some people have a negative perception of Waugh, because they're critical of his side's conduct. Some people don't think somebody like Cronje should move to later rounds over honest captains that are highly regarded. Everybody's got various reasons for voting the ways they do in different battles, and they're all valid enough reasons as long as they're related to the game, IMO.

There's probably only one person with an absolutely rigid crieria in this thread - but if we all voted in kind, it'd make the battle redundant. So either we have a battle with some interest where people make decisions for various reasons, or we just print out the winning records and announce the winner a minute or two after the battle begins.
 
aussie

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Not to forget He beat Taylor's team in the World Cup 1996.

So Arjuna Ranatunga for me.
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Thats true, but thats just one-game, he lost a series in Australia pretty comfortably as well.

Taylor for me BTW..
 
grecian

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Slow Love™ said:
Most people are happy to make subjective judgements and express an opinion. Some people have a negative perception of Waugh, because they're critical of his side's conduct. Some people don't think somebody like Cronje should move to later rounds over honest captains that are highly regarded. Everybody's got various reasons for voting the ways they do in different battles, and they're all valid enough reasons as long as they're related to the game, IMO.

There's probably only one person with an absolutely rigid crieria in this thread - but if we all voted in kind, it'd make the battle redundant. So either we have a battle with some interest where people make decisions for various reasons, or we just print out the winning records and announce the winner a minute or two after the battle begins.
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Hear, hear. Everyone else has said we use different criteria SS, so just shut up about this stupid % thing. If you want to vote that way fair enough, but the rest of us don't.

Oh, Taylor, btw, not for the wins, but I thought Arjunas conduct was not always for the betterment of the game.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
grecian said:
but I thought Arjunas conduct was not always for the betterment of the game.
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Why does Arjuna always get singled out for this ? Why dont we consider Mcgrath's behaviour when we discuss his greatness as a bowler ?
 
Slow Love™

Slow Love™

International Captain
Sanz said:
Why does Arjuna always get singled out for this ? Why dont we consider Mcgrath's behaviour when we discuss his greatness as a bowler ?
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Probably 'cause Arjuna's a captain, and has additional responsibilities?

To be fair, it tends to come up a fair bit for Ponting when his captaincy is commented upon.
 
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Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Slow Love™ said:
Probably 'cause Arjuna's a captain, and has additional responsibilities?
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does it mean that only the captain needs to behave angelically and everyone else gets to screw around as much as they want? i know you didn't really mean it that way but all international cricketers are high-profile these days and have their responsibilities as team members, representatives of their country, role-models and just as plain human beings....that's part of the burden they carry as a celebrity...ranatunga was always painted as one of the worst villains...he was pushy, aggressive, loud, manipulative maybe but not anything as bad as he was made out to be....
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Slow Love™ said:
Probably 'cause Arjuna's a captain, and has additional responsibilities?

To be fair, it tends to come up a fair bit for Ponting when his captaincy is commented upon.
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Apart from the Emerson No-balling issue, I dont remember any other incident where Arjuna acted out of order. Even that incident is blown out of proportion mainly by a particular group.
 
Perm

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Mark Taylor moves into the quarterfinals with a 20-4 win.

Round 2, Battle 1

Mansur Pataudi

Test: 40 Matches, 9 Wins, 19 Losses. Winning Percentage: 22%



vs

Richie Benaud

Test: 28 Matches, 12 Wins, 4 Losses. Winning Percentage: 42%



Voting will last 24 hours.
 
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