Battle of the Test captains

[BoyBrumby]

Gotta be Armstrong. Lead the team that dicked us 5-zip IIRC

 

[marc71178]

Ponting:

I believe Lloyd lost two series during captain, and drew one whereas Ponting has only lost one.

Two actually - he lost in India 1-0

 

[Slow Love™]

I think Pollock is highly underrated as a captain. He took over the captaincy at a trying time and captained the SA admirably. He deserved more then a single vote. My vote is basically a reflection of my respect for Pollock as a person, player and leader of men.

Imran Khan, for all his obvious virtues, was a controversial figure who adopted the hard line way too often for my liking. He was a dictatorial figure with egoistic tendencies and wasn't really a team-player as such.

I haven't seen many instances of Imran Khan captaining, apart from the 92 world cup, so I honestly cannot judge his on-field merits, but I fear that that his general charisma, his success in the world cup and against WI created a larger then life image which paints him in a much more saintly light then is justified.

You've probably got a point regarding Imran's near elevation to god status, but IMO, Pollock was rubbish.

 

[Goughy]

Look at you all converting to SS's winning %age philosophy. Shame on you all

Anyway. To me there is no doubt. Len Hutton

Far more Tests as captain, was Englands first professional captain and had to put up with a lot of **** form certain quarters, captained the side to famous series comebacks and would have captained a lot more if he had not had health problems.

Would probably captain the AllTime England XI

 

[Xuhaib]

Look at you all converting to SS's winning %age philosophy. Shame on you all

Anyway. To me there is no doubt. Len Hutton

Far more Tests as captain, was Englands first professional captain and had to put up with a lot of **** form certain quarters, captained the side to famous series comebacks and would have captained a lot more if he had not had health problems.

Would probably captain the AllTime England XI

Have heard some real positive stuff about Armstrong as a leader thats why he got my vote.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Len Hutton

 

[silentstriker]

Armstrong

That 0 losses stat really stands out.

 

[silentstriker]

Two actually - he lost in India 1-0

Really?

It's not on here.

Though I might have messed up with the filters?

 

[grecian]

Hutton

Just because the Ashes are coming up and my objectivity is out the window.

Yay, jingoism

 

[Slow Love™]

Really?

It's not on here.

Though I might have messed up with the filters?

He's just messing with you re: Gilchrist captaining the winning tests in India in '04.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Look at you all converting to SS's winning %age philosophy. Shame on you all

Anyway. To me there is no doubt. Len Hutton

Far more Tests as captain, was Englands first professional captain and had to put up with a lot of **** form certain quarters, captained the side to famous series comebacks and would have captained a lot more if he had not had health problems.

Would probably captain the AllTime England XI

Lord Jardine of Mumbai for mine.

Posthumous life-peerage for the great man; it's only a matter of time IMO.

 

[Goughy]

Lord Jardine of Mumbai for mine.

Posthumous life-peerage for the great man; it's only a matter of time IMO.

Ill let you give him the peerage but he would not get close to an All England 5th XI. If he made the All Time team Id walk to Mumbai myself

 

[aussie]

tight, i'll give it to Hutton just.

 

[marc71178]

He's just messing with you re: Gilchrist captaining the winning tests in India in '04.

Yes, and Punter came in for the one lost Test.

Yet SS reckons he's won 11 out of 12 series, for all we know, his record in India might have tipped the balance to make it 4-0 India if he'd played (more so if he won the toss)

 

[silentstriker]

Yes, and Punter came in for the one lost Test.

Yet SS reckons he's won 11 out of 12 series, for all we know, his record in India might have tipped the balance to make it 4-0 India if he'd played (more so if he won the toss)

Or they might have won by bigger margins. Thats the thing about hypothetical situations - they're hypothetical (yea, I know its quite a revelation).

In any case, 11/12 is 11/12.

 

[marc71178]

Except it clearly isn't 11/12 because if he captained 12 series, he has 2 losses.

 

[Mister Wright]

Sir Len Hutton

 

[Dravid]

Warwick Armstrong

 

[Slow Love™]

Or they might have won by bigger margins. Thats the thing about hypothetical situations - they're hypothetical (yea, I know its quite a revelation).

In any case, 11/12 is 11/12.

Far be it for to join in on Ponting bashing (), but Marc does have a point. Attributing that series victory to Ponting for the express purpose of showing how impressive his captaincy record is, is probably unfair. Yes, it's hypothetical in that maybe he'd have won those matches, but the fact is that he didn't, so it seems a bit strange to wield it in the way you're wielding it. Make sense?

 

[Mister Wright]

Far be it for to join in on Ponting bashing (), but Marc does have a point. Attributing that series victory to Ponting for the express purpose of showing how impressive his captaincy record is, is probably unfair. Yes, it's hypothetical in that maybe he'd have won those matches, but the fact is that he didn't, so it seems a bit strange to wield it in the way you're wielding it. Make sense?

Marc is really stretching if he thinks that because Ponting lost one game against India that counts as a series loss. Fair enough if it was a one off test match. Yes, Gilchrist was the captain that won the series, but Ponting wasn't the captain that lost the series, it was Ganguly.