Australian Test Selection 2016/2017

[Starfighter]

Did say as a pink ball specialist. He's the best out and out swing bowler in the country, IMO.

Does that say more about Worrall or the state of swing bowling in this country? Think Behrendorff might be better on that front as well, although I've mostly seen white ball stuff from him.
I think he's good bowler (and he's gotten vastly better) but not good enough for internationals, even with the pink ball.
Don't worry, I'd love to see Worrall play. We need more sharply angled run ups in cricket these days. Modern straight ones might be good from a coaching standpoint but they are so uninteresting.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Does that say more about Worrall or the state of swing bowling in this country? Think Behrendorff might be better on that front as well, although I've mostly seen white ball stuff from him.
I think he's good bowler (and he's gotten vastly better) but not good enough for internationals, even with the pink ball.
Don't worry, I'd love to see Worrall play. We need more sharply angled run ups in cricket these days. Modern straight ones might be good from a coaching standpoint but they are so uninteresting.

Better control over swing than Behrendorff. Behrendorff might be the more dangerous bowler, but Worrall's the better "swing" bowler.

 

[vic_orthdox]

And the guy is genuinely skilful with the ball. Says more about what coaches are told to look for that he had to come through lower grades in District cricket to get his chance, never got on the "pathway" before that.

 

[Starfighter]

Hmm, I'll have to think about it more. Dorff's record is very good and I've always thought that Worrall's control over length was a bit suspect, although that's more in the limited overs stuff. But he does swing the ball well as you've said and I like that he bowls very close to the stumps as well, and his pace had improved markedly.
The problem of course is that we aren't exactly lacking for viable bowling talent at the moment. I've got Bird pencilled in currently and Sayers is in with a shout as well. That's before you mention Pattinson and Cummins coming back from injury. The next few years look good from a pace standpoint.
It's the batting that is the real issue.

Also it does say a lot about the modern coaching mentality that someone a little unusual like him is ignored.

 

[ajdude]

i must be such a sadist, i'm less concerned about Australia's form and just plain excited to see what team they come out with.

 

[Spikey]

have we criticised sutherland for his press conference today? cause i thought that was rank

 

[91Jmay]

How long has Sutherland been at CA now? Can't help but think it might be worth freshening up, although i suppose commercially CA are extremely successful which is his main remit.

 

[dermo]

Sutherland is doing a good job imo, people have an issue with the scheduling but most of that is out of his hands. The business side of cricket in this country is doing well.

You don't sack the CEO because your top order can't bat

 

[Spikey]

oh yeah I think Sutherland gets too much criticism from people who seem to think only the male national teams matter, but I think he stepped over the line with that presser. that was Howard's job

 

[Burgey]

i must be such a sadist, i'm less concerned about Australia's form and just plain excited to see what team they come out with.

Do you mean masochist?

 

[Burgey]

have we criticised sutherland for his press conference today? cause i thought that was rank

Post a link, ****.

 

[Burgey]

Sure this is Brett Geeves, but it's an interesting take on the way the development system is going in Australia.

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[social]

And the guy is genuinely skilful with the ball. Says more about what coaches are told to look for that he had to come through lower grades in District cricket to get his chance, never got on the "pathway" before that.

Obviously I'm a dinosaur but unless things have radically changed since my day, more credence should be given to weight of performances at grade level than this pathway bs

Playing against men is/was simply different and generally harder than playing against kids your own age no matter how talented they might be.

Take Jake Doran as an example.

Everyone agrees that he is one of the most talented youngsters in world cricket but I was amazed to discover yesterday that he has only ever scored 1 first grade hundred.

IMO, there is no way in the wide world that he should have been guaranteed a spot in first class cricket (effectively what CA did) before dominating at grade level for at least a period of time and it comes as no surprise to me that he is now struggling

Worrall, on the other hand, has obviously had to work his arse off and that has translated into success at a higher level

 

[dermo]

make shield cricket great again

 

[adub]

Sure this is Brett Geeves, but it's an interesting take on the way the development system is going in Australia.

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took a big swing, didn't miss.

 

[Burgey]

Obviously I'm a dinosaur but unless things have radically changed since my day, more credence should be given to weight of performances at grade level than this pathway bs

Playing against men is/was simply different and generally harder than playing against kids your own age no matter how talented they might be.

Take Jake Doran as an example.

Everyone agrees that he is one of the most talented youngsters in world cricket but I was amazed to discover yesterday that he has only ever scored 1 first grade hundred.

IMO, there is no way in the wide world that he should have been guaranteed a spot in first class cricket (effectively what CA did) before dominating at grade level for at least a period of time and it comes as no surprise to me that he is now struggling

Worrall, on the other hand, has obviously had to work his arse off and that has translated into success at a higher level

This ties in with the article Geeves wrote, and the discussion Vic & T_C were having about Second XI cricket yesterday.

 

[adub]

Take Jake Doran as an example.

Everyone agrees that he is one of the most talented youngsters in world cricket but I was amazed to discover yesterday that he has only ever scored 1 first grade hundred.

IMO, there is no way in the wide world that he should have been guaranteed a spot in first class cricket (effectively what CA did) before dominating at grade level for at least a period of time and it comes as no surprise to me that he is now struggling

Maybe the guys at NSW know a bit? Young guys get chances here, but they gotta earn em, and then perform to stay.

 

[Burgey]

took a big swing, didn't miss.

tbh I wasn't aware they'd mandated so many young players in second XI cricket. I knew there was an emphasis, but not to that extent. I think a lot of what he says is right in principle. It is harder to make runs as a kid against adults who are hardened in the game, at any level. The blokes who made a name for themselves at a young age in Australian cricket did so by toweling up the grade circuit, then Shield level. Mandating places for X number of blokes below Y age is pretty ****ing dumb when you think about it. Sure, you want to pick younger blokes, but they must have made their runs/ taken their wickets against an open field in order to get there.

 

[Burgey]

Maybe the guys at NSW know a bit? Young guys get chances here, but they gotta earn em, and then perform to stay.

I'm not as certain about that as you seem to be mate. There have always been blokes who've get earmarked from a young age, but there's a serious amount of anointing which goes on at junior level here. Once you're in that structure it's harder to get out of it than in tbh. Not saying that transposes to Shield level, but it does at State junior level and also with some clubs at lower grade level too.

 

[Midwinter]

Calling the second XI comp the Futures League gives a bit of a hint of what is going on.