Australian off season domestic 2012/13

[bondi beach]

http://cricketnsw.com.au/news/latest-news/2012/6/22/six-nsw-speedblitz-blues-receive-ca-contracts

Centrally-contracted players: Michael Clarke, Patrick Cummins, Xavier Doherty, Brad Haddin, Ryan Harris, Ben Hilfenhaus, David Hussey, Michael Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Nathan Lyon, James Pattinson, Ricky Ponting, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade, Shane Watson, David Warner

Form over the last twelve months was mentioned as one of the criteria. If that is the case why has Haddin (441 runs @ 18), Starc (15 wickets @ 35) and Johnson (27 wickets @ 35) been selected whereas Lee (38 wickets @ 24) hasn't? Only Hilfenhaus (47), Siddle (43), Lyon (43) and Watson (41) took more wickets than Lee over the last 12 months for Australia. The sevteen includes only one batsman under 30. Dohery took 34 wickets @ 32 for Australia in the last year whereas Cowan scored only 358 runs @ 30. 700 runs and / or 30 wickets in the calender year should be the minimum standard required to win a CA contract. Cummins is a youngster with a lot of ability and has been fast tracked after taking 6-79 on his test debut.

NSW will need to reduce their 29 man squad for next year as Phil Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith, Nathan Hauritz, Doug Bollinger and Brett Lee have lost their CA contracts although Dave Warner and Mitchell Starc have got CA contracts. Simon Katich, Phil Jacques, Stuart Clark and Beau Casson have retired from Australian cricket. It would not surprise me to see ****ley and the five rookie players released with Kurtis Patterson who scored hundred on debut and Josh Lalor who took 14 wickets in the Sheffield Shield making the step up.

 

[Spikey]

BigBash to be expanded by a week. Instead of 7 games per team it'll be 8 games. So 4 home/4 away, instead of the 4/3 spilt. Makes sense.

 

[Spark]

Seems reasonable, but no more please

 

[bondi beach]

A bizarre decision to award Johnson a two year central contract which makes a mokery of actually having to earn one as he retained his despite bowling utter rubbish in all but one game last year.

Australia news: Mitchell Johnson was guaranteed contract | Australia Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[chaminda_00]

I read somewhere the reason for the extra fast bowlers and spinners on the contract list was so they could control the number of overseas contracts the players sign, i.e domestic Twenty20 comps. I guess they are more concerned about their workload. If they weren't on contract then they could play in any domestic comp.

You only need to play three tests or 6 ODIs to get a contract, so I reckon anyone of regulars in the Test or ODI sides will get contracts. I would be surprised if there is more then 13 additional players that meet that criteria by the end of the season.

I wonder if once a state player gets upgraded if the state can sign a new player to their contract list. Reckon Brett Lee will have contract before the start of the domestic season.

 

[Prince EWS]

You only need to play three tests or 6 ODIs to get a contract

Which makes the whole process of cutting the initial contracts pretty silly. Anyone they expect to play three Tests or six ODIs in the next year should just be given one as to better prepare and make it easier on the states.

 

[Spikey]

hahahaahahahahah ca don't care about the states you big dummy!


i was actually thinking whether nsw would bother giving a contract to Lee, but yeah I guess he'll have an CA contract in no time at all anyway

 

[chaminda_00]

NSW will need to reduce their 29 man squad for next year as Phil Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith, Nathan Hauritz, Doug Bollinger and Brett Lee have lost their CA contracts although Dave Warner and Mitchell Starc have got CA contracts. Simon Katich, Phil Jacques, Stuart Clark and Beau Casson have retired from Australian cricket. It would not surprise me to see ****ley and the five rookie players released with Kurtis Patterson who scored hundred on debut and Josh Lalor who took 14 wickets in the Sheffield Shield making the step up.

If there is still an 18-man squad we should be sweet. Just need to get rid of the rookies and Crockley. The retirements are a blessing in disguise.
CA Contracts: Clarke, Haddin, Watson, Warner, Starc, Cummins
NSW Contracts: Bollinger, Copeland, Haurtiz, Halzewood, Henriques, Hughes, Khawaja, Lee, Maddinson, Nevill, O'Keefe, Rohrer, Smith, Patterson, Lalor, Tremain, Abbott

 

[chaminda_00]

Which makes the whole process of cutting the initial contracts pretty silly. Anyone they expect to play three Tests or six ODIs in the next year should just be given one as to better prepare and make it easier on the states.

But what if takes less then another three tests to work out Cowan is not international standard (World One International Standard), they have just saved 200k. Or Lee breaks down for another six months after one game.

Don't think it is the worst thing in the world if the talent around domestic cricket gets spread around a bit more. Rather then having guys like Crockley and Casson getting contracts after contracts because we always have a free spot.

I can also see guys who would normally just been given a spare contract to move interstate stay in NSW, because the other states also don't free spots as well. The states just need to be more selective with who they give contracts. Basically you can only give contracts to starting XI players and get your fringe players from Grade cricket. So if you bring a guys from interstate they have to first team standard, not just some guy you hope will make the step up.

 

[Spikey]

If there is still an 18-man squad we should be sweet. Just need to get rid of the rookies and Crockley. The retirements are a blessing in disguise.
CA Contracts: Clarke, Haddin, Watson, Warner, Starc, Cummins
NSW Contracts: Bollinger, Copeland, Haurtiz, Halzewood, Henriques, Hughes, Khawaja, Lee, Maddinson, Nevill, O'Keefe, Rohrer, Smith, Patterson, Lalor, Tremain, Abbott

Gotta met the cap tho. Lot of those names would probably want close to that 150K max

worried Haddin getting a CA contract (eg playing on) will push Nevill out.

 

[Andre]

A few things we've learnt through the new list:

• David Hussey may yet still play Test cricket.
  
  Brad Haddin is still our number 1 Test gloveman - Wade has to lift his standards behind the sticks for the minute.
  
  25 contracts was far too many.
  
  That the weighting system works well. Those who play in each format will receive ample match payments to ensure they don't miss out - there is no point contracting the 11th picked in the Test side as there are 3 forms of the game and he would only be considered for one of them. In turn, a key member of the Test side like Ponting can still be on a CA retainer.

George Bailey the only name I could see squeezing onto the list that could consider himself unlucky.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Chris Rogers on Cricket AM up here just said he likes the CC because the Australian system has lost its focus on the 4-day game.

Thoughts?

 

[brockley]

Keen to take step up | Sport | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au
Simon Keen moves back from the vics to make the Blues team.

 

[Top_Cat]

Chris Rogers on Cricket AM up here just said he likes the CC because the Australian system has lost its focus on the 4-day game.

Thoughts?

Strange thing to say, in my view, unless it's a relatively new thing. If anything, the outright focus on picking guys for Test cricket in the past few years has hurt their chances in ODI and T20 (picking Clarke as T20 captain/in the team at all, selections in LO matches purely to give guys match time in the lead-up to Test series', etc.)

M'thinks he's referring more to the great Victorian batsman selection ban.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Strange thing to say, in my view, unless it's a relatively new thing. If anything, the outright focus on picking guys for Test cricket in the past few years has hurt their chances in ODI and T20 (picking Clarke as T20 captain/in the team at all, selections in LO matches purely to give guys match time in the lead-up to Test series', etc.)

M'thinks he's referring more to the great Victorian batsman selection ban.

Think he was referring mainly to the new franchise dealy.

Was some mild hints at bitterness tho, tbf. Said of the new crop something like "There's a few blokes who're more interested in hitting the ball in the air than along the ground, but good luck to them 'cos it'll make 'em a few quid in the IPL"

Still, short sighted, colour blind and ginge; must eat at him...

 

[Top_Cat]

In fairness to him, runs-wise he's done absolutely everything to get picked for the Test side so some hints of bitterness would be understandable.

 

[Spikey]

Chris Rogers on Cricket AM up here just said he likes the CC because the Australian system has lost its focus on the 4-day game.

Thoughts?

I was gonna write a post more or less defending the administrators, but CA do tend to interfere with the system too much, which is perhaps what Rogers means. See: Younger players getting undeserved games and what not, pushing out people like Rogers, and CA getting into NSW for justly dropping Maddinson last season.

So they've hurt the system, but it's been done with the ultimate goal of producing test cricketers. Perhaps they're focused in on test cricket at the harm of the 4 day game

 

[Top_Cat]

Focussed too much on Ashes, rather than Tests as a whole, tbh.

 

[bondi beach]

If there is still an 18-man squad we should be sweet. Just need to get rid of the rookies and Crockley. The retirements are a blessing in disguise.
CA Contracts: Clarke, Haddin, Watson, Warner, Starc, Cummins
NSW Contracts: Bollinger, Copeland, Haurtiz, Halzewood, Henriques, Hughes, Khawaja, Lee, Maddinson, Nevill, O'Keefe, Rohrer, Smith, Patterson, Lalor, Tremain, Abbott

I agree with the first 21 out of 23 names. As for the retirements it was hard to see Jacques, Clark and Casson breaking into the team. They will miss Katich.

Ireland 0-2 Portferfield and Joyce out first and second ball to Brett Lee. Why has he not been awarded a CA contract but the erractic Mitchell Johnson and Mitchell Starc have? Why has Haddin been given a contract? Keepers need to bat nowadayds and an average of 18 is pathetic.

3 tests and 6 ODIs is too to get a contract is far too easy. Perhaps a system similar to England with the Incremental contract needs to be introduced for players not worth a full contract. The current system seems more akin to England performance squad which has 26 players.

 

[NUFAN]

So does this mean that Smith, Lee and Forrest are all on 2 points, so 10 away from a contract after today's match?

Bondi, I do agree with you that Lee should have a contract ahead of Doherty. Lee plays a bigger role in ODIs and T20s and with Lee now retired from Tests they are equal in their chances of playing Tests.

I'm not sure how the rankings are calculated exactly, but since the contract list is a top 17, I hope they just give out points for the first 17 players in each format with the best Test player getting 85 (17x5) ODI 34 (17x2) and T20 17 points.