Australian Domestic Season 2020/21

[Teuton]

Is that a big deal? Wouldn't NSW want to assist one of their players in becoming test captain?

 

[Red]

Considering the amount of prominent people in and around Australian cricket who have been loudly advocating Cummins the captain for a good 12-18 months now, I don't see how you can possibly say it's all CNSW

There is no doubt whatsoever the idea is being "encouraged" from higher up

Everything I’ve read indicates CNSW think it’s a smart move and have discussed it at board level. It’s really not that weird or abnormal that id call it “dire”, even if CA requested it.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Everything I’ve read indicates CNSW think it’s a smart move and have discussed it at board level. It’s really not that weird or abnormal that id call it “dire”, even if CA requested it.

It's definitely possible the level of influence from CA here is less than I tend to think, it certainly isn't zero, but I could be overstating things.

My broader point however is that those at Jolimont St shouldn't have any influence of state team selection and planning whatsoever, not in any way, shape or form

 

[Prince EWS]

It's definitely possible the level of influence from CA here is less than I tend to think, it certainly isn't zero, but I could be overstating things.

My broader point however is that those at Jolimont St shouldn't have any influence of state team selection and planning whatsoever, not in any way, shape or form

I actually agree with this, but how do you square this with your IMO much less agreeable opinion that no-one should be considered for Test captaincy unless they have experience as a Shield captain?

Test cricketers don't really play Shield cricket anymore. Even on occassions where they actually are available for a game at the start or the end of the season, I can definitely see why state boards wouldn't want to change the captain just for one game. As such, Test regulars don't get to captain Shield cricket. Young players also rarely get to captain Shield cricket as you don't come into teams at 20 years old and no FC experience as captain, and when you combine these facts I'm sure you can see where there are problems.

Your combination of opinions here would effectively point to the idea that players who cracked the Test team young could never be captain, and I think that'd be missing out on some good captains. Not to mention the big question of what you'd do under GASism if none of the eleven you selected had ever been a Shield captain.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

It is a complex question, one without any clear cut answer. The problem I have in a lot of cases is the players who get into the international team young are those so called "prodigious talents" who have been the youngest member of their team all up through juniors and beyond. It seems like it would be difficult to have much of a sense of perspecive on the highs and the lows of the game when you have been fasttracked through the system at each level. If there was a case where nobody in the starting XI had any sort of noteworthy captaincy credentials then that is worrying, but in such a case looking towards a established senior is preferable to whoever the bright young thing of the time is

 

[Red]

It’d be an interesting task to go back thru the history of test captains and test VCs over time and see how many first class games (non test) they’d played, and captained, before assuming test leadership.

 

[honestbharani]

It is a complex question, one without any clear cut answer. The problem I have in a lot of cases is the players who get into the international team young are those so called "prodigious talents" who have been the youngest member of their team all up through juniors and beyond. It seems like it would be difficult to have much of a sense of perspecive on the highs and the lows of the game when you have been fasttracked through the system at each level. If there was a case where nobody in the starting XI had any sort of noteworthy captaincy credentials then that is worrying, but in such a case looking towards a established senior is preferable to whoever the bright young thing of the time is

Grooming International Team Captains

I came across this article today about Pat Cummins hoping to lead NSW in the remaining Shield games. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pat-cummins-eager-for-captaincy-audition-with-an-eye-to-australia-s-future-1249993 It got me thinking. With the amount of cricket being played today at the...

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[GoodAreasShane]

Been doing some thinking, one thing that could be a good solution if practical is having far more Australia A tours, that is another way to try and get some high level captaincy experience into players who aren't able to regularly play for their domestic side

Not really relevent to the current situation with Cummins, but something that could be a good idea for the future

 

[Red]

I'm starting to really think that Sheffield Shield needs to run almost the entire year, with a cluster of top end games and a lot more games in regional areas spread throughout the year. Making it a year long comp makes a lot of sense, and allows it to work around the BBL and the other big money tournaments like IPL.

It'd be worth investigating how far long form domestic cricket could move away from being a summer game without the weather becoming a huge factor in play.

 

[stephen]

I'm starting to really think that Sheffield Shield needs to run almost the entire year, with a cluster of top end games and a lot more games in regional areas spread throughout the year. Making it a year long comp makes a lot of sense, and allows it to work around the BBL and the other big money tournaments like IPL.

It'd be worth investigating how far long form domestic cricket could move away from being a summer game without the weather becoming a huge factor in play.

I'd never given it too much thought but that's actually a really good idea. It might even be a way for cricket to snatch some juicy winter headlines when Australia isn't touring.

I'd run it in groups of 3 or 4 shield matches at a time. Run 3 in May, 3 in September and 4 after the BBL. The point being that the clustered matches give players the endurance testing that a test series would give. The overlap would be minimal with overseas tours as well, though might hit the tail end of the IPL.

As it is the Australian summer feels very cramped for space.

 

[Gnske]

Just remove the Shield and have 3 or 4 BBL matches at a time all year round.

 

[TheJediBrah]

So the Shield and 50-over comp have been shortened now because the players have "bubble fatigue". Good thing we could play 3 months of Big Bash though right.

Only 5 games a side for the 50-over tournament and 8 total games for the Shield.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I think you lot can all guess by now what my opinions are on this one

 

[Burgey]

I'd never given it too much thought but that's actually a really good idea. It might even be a way for cricket to snatch some juicy winter headlines when Australia isn't touring.

I'd run it in groups of 3 or 4 shield matches at a time. Run 3 in May, 3 in September and 4 after the BBL. The point being that the clustered matches give players the endurance testing that a test series would give. The overlap would be minimal with overseas tours as well, though might hit the tail end of the IPL.

As it is the Australian summer feels very cramped for space.

This is a top idea. Also a chance for top end fans to see some quality cricket in the winter months.

 

[Spikey]

It's fine. A 10 game season was always a battle and given bubble restrictions couldn't loosen over the BBL, I think it's a worthy call. Getting even a 8 game season in is an amazing effort.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Upon further thought, while I still am somewhat gutted, CA have genuinely put in a good effort to try and make things work for the domestic season. Have to give at least some credit for that

 

[Spikey]

victoria trying to ruin the whole damn season. Ban their players from national selection

 

[GoodAreasShane]

You would think with all the time they have had to prepare with the delayed restart to the domestic season someone at CA would have actually made sure their stream would actually work

Fixed now, but not until after a wicket fell

 

[Gnske]

Remember when all the real thinkers in this community said Davies can't play pace.

Sad for all of you.

 

[Spikey]

All the covid in the lungs of the Victorians is probably affecting their pace tbf