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Atul Sharma

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Polo23

International Debutant
Uppercut said:
From SPIN magazine's preview of their Atul Sharma interview:

"...After all the buzz on internet forums, and even people doubting his existence..."

Someone else has been watching CW.
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Christ, whoever wrote that completely missed the point also.

:laugh:

I can't believe "Ponty" saying Chappell and Watson etc said he was something special is being taken as gospel.

Hey guys, guess what? Richard Hadlee and Dennis Lillee said i'd be the greatest bowler in the world EVER by the time I was 25. Wheres my thread?
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Polo23 said:
Christ, whoever wrote that completely missed the point also.

:laugh:

I can't believe "Ponty" saying Chappell and Watson etc said he was something special is being taken as gospel.

Hey guys, guess what? Richard Hadlee and Dennis Lillee said i'd be the greatest bowler in the world EVER by the time I was 25. Wheres my thread?
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You don't have big pecs though.
 
four_or_six

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Voltman said:
Oh, yes, they think he MAY be something. But wait, that's just because Pont has told us they rate/recommend him. Again, it's third-hand information.

Once I see direct quotes from these people, THEN my mind may begin to be changed.
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I think if after facing him, Watson and Chappell had texted Warney and said "Yeah, he's crap and he chucks it," then it's a lot less likely he would have a contract.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Polo23 said:
Christ, whoever wrote that completely missed the point also.

:laugh:

I can't believe "Ponty" saying Chappell and Watson etc said he was something special is being taken as gospel.

Hey guys, guess what? Richard Hadlee and Dennis Lillee said i'd be the greatest bowler in the world EVER by the time I was 25. Wheres my thread?
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Those who post in the Coaching section know that Ponty is actually Ian Pont. Plus other correspondence also confirms that this is the case.
 
ret

ret

International Debutant
Polo23 said:
Hey guys, guess what? Richard Hadlee and Dennis Lillee said i'd be the greatest bowler in the world EVER by the time I was 25. Wheres my thread?
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To make it easy for you, let's assume ABC is the player

ABC's coach ----> ABC has the potential to touch 100mph
Chappell ----> Analyzes ABC and gives him a thumbs up
RR ----> signs ABC because they believe he has the potential

So it's not like ppl are going by what ABC says [which would be similar to your statement] but by a combination of factors, along with ABC's new training and bowling method

and for the millionth time, it does not mean that ppl actually think he is going to deliver based on the hype as he probably has a lot to do to adjust to the learning curve but the interest in him is definitely there, along with a hope that he does do well because one of the problems with Indian pace bowlers [in general] has been that they haven't been able to bowl at express pace may be because of their physical build up [and flat pitches too]. If new training methods would help more bowlers bowl express then it is something that is going to interest the cricket fans! And that's why there is a interest in ABC's developments
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
What is your point Polo? That we shouldn't post about him?

Why?

a) He is a cricketer
b) He is signed by an IPL team
c) He is being trained in a way different to most other players.

That leads to a topic DISCUSSION.

God forbid some people talk about him. No one is saying he's better than Shane Bond or whatever, but he's obviously in a magazine, and has been picked up by a team, so there's something to him. Even if he's ****, what does it bother you?

The reaction in this thread honestly amazes me tbh. Fair enough if Goughy is having a go at the training methods and doesn't believe in them or whatever. But people just being pissed off because we're posting about him?

Wonder if the reaction was similar in the US when they first heard about Ivan Drago, before his first fight.
 
Goughy

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
Jono said:
Fair enough if Goughy is having a go at the training methods and doesn't believe in them or whatever.
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Actually it is the complete opposite. I dont mind the training methods at all and I think we need innovative outlooks. Its something Im interested in and like.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and that you just skimmed though my post as you didnt want to read it :)
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Goughy said:
Actually it is the complete opposite. I dont mind the training methods at all and I think we need innovative outlooks. Its something Im interested in and like.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and that you just skimmed though my post as you didnt want to read it :)
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Apologies Goughy.

I'm quite confused at what you were bothered about in this thread though. There's something that you didn't fancy, wasn't there?

I did read your posts, but a while back tbf (this thread has been going on for ages now, which is funny in itself :D)
 
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Ponty

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Goughy said:
Yeah, I took that mentality a short while ago. However, after just reading a chunk of this thread, I found the coaching stuff interesting and I thought Id defend the approach Sharma has taken.

As I’ve stated, the evidence and how this has been handled is not great (to say the least). However, the irony is that I probably coach very similar to Pont (independently realized) and I also think we have a lot to learn from Javelin and alternative methods.

Cricket needs new ideas, and frankly fast bowling has virtually always been incorrectly coached.

I don’t have an issue with the way this guy (Sharma) is being coached or the methodology with which it is being approached. It’s just the gimmicky way it is being packaged (which whilst Pont and I share many points on fast bowling I find the philosophies overly jargonized and a little gimmicky.)

I think Pont is correct in most of what he says in terms of mechanics and I like his open approach to new and alternative methods. It just feels packaged for the casual cricket fan and smells a little of snakleoil, self-promoting and slick sales.

Cricket (and fast bowling) needs people to challenge the estabilshed ideas and progress the activity. Im just not keen on the way he presents these ideas. This (Sharma) is a case in point. However, that still doesnt change the fact that he will have useful and valuable things to say.
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I'll take what you say Goughy as somewhat of a compliment, (even on the Pont is correct on most of what he says in terms of mechanics part...lol). So thanks - my book publishers will be pleased I got most of it right even though it was applied mechanics to be fair and is a different way to coach. Also pleased you use similar methods...may need you at the MCI School of cricket if you are free?

I can assure you there has been no deliberate intention to package Atul Sharma in any way. It's raw and honest - no media hype, no marketing agencies, no team PR - just his story. But it has come out in dribs and drabs because no one was in a position to announce anything official as we didn't know about the IPL ourselves until close to the time.

It's hard to know what to do press wise with someone who can bowl serious gas but has no background of cricket. SPIN magazine have been the first to do a proper job by interviewing everyone involved.

I think everyone will be happy to see Atul bowl. Atul included.
 
Goughy

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member

"Well, they test your potential before you even get a javelin in your hand: basically, you are seen as a potential 90m javelin thrower if you can do a standing long jump that's 1.5 metres more than your height; that shows decent leg strength"

Im genuinely interested in that but I cant find a reference online. Im fascinated where that correlation comes from as as far as Im know only 1 American has ever thrown 90m and the best in the US last year was low 80s.

I think bowlers and javelin have a lot to offer each other (the big difference being that in Javelin you cannot follow through and must stop) but Im just interested in this test.
 
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