Atul Sharma

[Simple Ton]

Theres the same amount of evidence showing I can bowl 100mph as there is showing Sharma doing it.

I've never denied Sharma has done well getting an IPL contract, especially since he hasn't played cricket in 7 years..it's frankly unbelievable. It doesn't however equate to him being a good bowler.

I think the point about sharma is how he has made it this far and not if he is going to be world beating player, which you keep impying as evidence. The story is uplifting for us here in India, it makes dreams possible, and it makes the whole country believe someone else can do it not through a conventional routing.
I repeat that Chappell, Watson, Pont and others who are world class coaches or players all recommended this guy for a pro contract and to me that equates to evidence that you keep wanting.
Just because you don't see the evidence and do not have the evidence with your own eyes doesn't make it untrue. I believe in things I have never seen and I believe in what experts tell me as they are experts with experience and reputation. In a court of law they call expert witnesses. People go to doctors because they are experts. If we all had the view we only believe things when we have evidence in your own eyes we would never get on a plane, eat at a restuarant or believe in God.
I believe Chappell and don't thing his judgement is wrong. he must have seen the evidence himself. Logic would say that.
I don't know if you don't belive this story because you have never heard of such a thing, or whether you don't think it's possible. We will not get evidence that you want I think you mean speed gun readings and flat out movies of Sharma bowling, but it doesn't matter. The fact is Sharma has an IPL contract with Champion Team RR. Do you beleive that? Then if you do someone must have seen him do the things he can do if he hasn't played for such a length of time in a match.

 

[ret]

Theres the same amount of evidence showing I can bowl 100mph as there is showing Sharma doing it.

I've never denied Sharma has done well getting an IPL contract, especially since he hasn't played cricket in 7 years..it's frankly unbelievable. It doesn't however equate to him being a good bowler.

He probably has shown evidence of his potential to Pont and RR which is what matters. He doesn't have to show evidence to every Tom, Dick and Harry

That's why I said it's different when you say you can bowl at 100 mph and when someone who has the backing of a reputed coach, has been selected by a reputed franchisee and assessed by the likes of Chappell says that he is capable of bowling at 100mph

As has been pointed out 274 times that this is abt seeing if new methods can help bowlers get the express pace

There is no point in debating this on the basis of 'evidence' as the evidence will be there for everyone when he actually bowls in a competitive game. That's when we will know how effective the new method is. I guess he would have to adjust a lot to the learning curve as he hasn't played competitive cricket but if he can show his potential then that would be nice. If he fails then it's no big deal!

Again, no one here is claiming he is actually a good bowler. I can't imagine that you would assume that others consider him to be a good bowler w/o seeing him bowl [you get another minus for assuming that]. for the 275th time, this is abt seeing if he has the potential and whether alternative methods work. For the 276th time, this is NOT about thinking that he bowls at 100mph, that he has as much control as McGrath, that he can swing the ball like Hadlee, that he will last as long as Kapil and so on!

 

[silentstriker]

Hmm, 40 pages and still he hasn't actually bowled. What are people discussing exactly? A man who has played no cricket, continued to play no cricket, and is currently playing no cricket.

 

[ret]

Hmm, 40 pages and still he hasn't actually bowled. What are people discussing exactly? A man who has played no cricket, continued to play no cricket, and is currently playing no cricket.

he is probably bowling right now in the nets

 

[silentstriker]

he is probably bowling right now in the nets

Yea, so could I. I don't see a thread about me though.

 

[oitoitoi]

Yea, so could I. I don't see a thread about me though.

we'll have to start one, "silentstriker - bright new prospect or club drinks carrier"

 

[ret]

Yea, so could I. I don't see a thread about me though.

that's because
1. you don't have an IPL contract
2. you are not hyped to be having the potential to bowl @100mph
3. you don't have a coach like Pont to back you up
4. you haven't tried alternative methods to bowl express
5. you haven't worked on a bowling action inspired by javelin throwing
6. you don't have likes of Chappell analyzing your bowling
7. you probably waste more time on the net than bowling

 

[silentstriker]

we'll have to start one, "silentstriker - bright new prospect or club drinks carrier"

I'm too fat to carry drinks effectively. I'd collapse halfway down the ground. Therefore, by process of elimination, I must be a bright new prospect.

that's because
1. you don't have an IPL contract
2. you are not hyped to be having the potential to bowl @100mph
3. you don't have a coach like Pont to back you up
4. you haven't tried alternative methods to bowl express
5. you haven't worked on a bowling action inspired by javelin throwing
6. you don't have likes of Chappell analyzing your bowling
7. you probably waste more time on the net than bowling

All of those may or may not work in someones favor, once, you know, they actually bowl. In actual cricket, he has accomplished exactly as much as I have - the rest is hype and hearsay. He has taken zero wickets, scored zero runs, and taken zero catches in seven years, a total that is approximately equal to mine.

 

[Simple Ton]

I'm too fat to carry drinks effectively. I'd collapse halfway down the ground. Therefore, by process of elimination, I must be a bright new prospect.

All of those may or may not work in someones favor, once, you know, they actually bowl. In actual cricket, he has accomplished exactly as much as I have - the rest is hype and hearsay. He has taken zero wickets, scored zero runs, and taken zero catches in seven years, a total that is approximately equal to mine.

This is getting a trifle boring the same three or four posters talking about what has he done. We covered this so many times reading the pages that it is the potential of the lad and not the non-existent career stats that are exciting.
Please find it in your heart to finally get the fact that Sharma appears to be someone different and out of the box. What he does next is the second part but to get to the IPL and recommended by Chappell who does not rate many people, is remarkable. This is what we are celebrating I think - something completely and utterly different.
Spin magazine would not have wasted 7 pages and a front cover story on Sharma unless he is highly regarded.
We all know he has yet to play. We all know he has yet to bowl. The world knows that.
He is the most talked about cricketer for a generation. Just be slightly excited as we are in India that someone may have the credentials physically and mentally (to get this far without help or support he must be tough) to be something worthwhile.

 

[GIMH]

so when is he gonna play?

 

[Simple Ton]

I'm too fat to carry drinks effectively. I'd collapse halfway down the ground. Therefore, by process of elimination, I must be a bright new prospect.

All of those may or may not work in someones favor, once, you know, they actually bowl. In actual cricket, he has accomplished exactly as much as I have - the rest is hype and hearsay. He has taken zero wickets, scored zero runs, and taken zero catches in seven years, a total that is approximately equal to mine.

About
I’m currently a software engineer, and I’ve made the decision to go into research – currently thinking PhD or a MD/PhD. Most of my entries will be my thoughts on science, space exploration, and general reactions about the role of science in society.

I would have though tthat you, more than anyone, would thus understand the scientific approach Sharma has taken to his fast bowling. He and Pont say they are using new ways to explore fast bowling techniques and training.

 

[Athlai]

About
I’m currently a software engineer, and I’ve made the decision to go into research – currently thinking PhD or a MD/PhD. Most of my entries will be my thoughts on science, space exploration, and general reactions about the role of science in society.

I would have though tthat you, more than anyone, would thus understand the scientific approach Sharma has taken to his fast bowling. He and Pont say they are using new ways to explore fast bowling techniques and training.

SS just wants the results first TBF.

 

[Simple Ton]

SS just wants the results first TBF.

Yes but when you explore things in science you don't have the results first.You get them last.

 

[Jono]

Why's it annoying Jono? Because some people refuse to be gullible fools?

Wow, what does that even mean?

Who here has been gullible? Seriously.

Basically you yelled at people for believing the hype, when no one is believing it at all. Most people have had a laugh about this whole thing, me included.

 

[Athlai]

Yes but when you explore things in science you don't have the results first.You get them last.

But you don't expect anyone else to care until you have results.

 

[Simple Ton]

But you don't expect anyone else to care until you have results.

Ok..so if someone is going to the moon, you don't care until they have been there? You argument makes no sense. If no one cared about exploration of any kind only to report it when they had results, we would never see anything.
The proof or lack of it, is the second part to anything.The journey is the first part. Can you imagine only watching football matches AFTER you know the score?
I think I understand what you mean but again like a few posters, you miss the point which is Sharma's journey is the story - not the outcome.

 

[Athlai]

Ok..so if someone is going to the moon, you don't care until they have been there? You argument makes no sense. If no one cared about exploration of any kind only to report it when they had results, we would never see anything.
The proof or lack of it, is the second part to anything.The journey is the first part. Can you imagine only watching football matches AFTER you know the score?
I think I understand what you mean but again like a few posters, you miss the point which is Sharma's journey is the story - not the outcome.

Key words there were anybody ELSE. Those trying out the techniques can do as they please but they cannot expect other people to listen to what they have to say until they have credible results (even if only partial) of their final outcome. I don't care about Atul Sharma until he's proven he can play at this level, and then I'll credit his training until then I don't see any reason to think too much about him either way.

 

[Simple Ton]

Key words there were anybody ELSE. Those trying out the techniques can do as they please but they cannot expect other people to listen to what they have to say until they have credible results (even if only partial) of their final outcome. I don't care about Atul Sharma until he's proven he can play at this level, and then I'll credit his training until then I don't see any reason to think too much about him either way.

Maybe you don't care I am reading, and this is great but you did say ANYONE else and you are wrong.
Most cricket nuts are keen to discover how someone can get an IPL contract from nowhere and what methods were used to build an amazing body like Sharma has. I have no read his story in the SPIN magazine and it's uplifting. believe it or not it is very different.
Clearly very many people including the media, are interested.
I can see you are not and that is your perogative. The vast majority of people, specially other Indian fans and there are millions of us plus fast bowling officiandos, are very interested.

 

[Athlai]

Maybe you don't care I am reading, and this is great but you did say ANYONE else and you are wrong.
Most cricket nuts are keen to discover how someone can get an IPL contract from nowhere and what methods were used to build an amazing body like Sharma has. I have no read his story in the SPIN magazine and it's uplifting. believe it or not it is very different.
Clearly very many people including the media, are interested.
I can see you are not and that is your perogative. The vast majority of people, specially other Indian fans and there are millions of us plus fast bowling officiandos, are very interested.

Once again I digress, I said expect anyone else, as in everyone is free to choose to care but nobody should be expected to take the matter too seriously till Sharma actually plays.

 

[Simple Ton]

Once again I digress, I said expect anyone else, as in everyone is free to choose to care but nobody should be expected to take the matter too seriously till Sharma actually plays.

expect, anyone, else...lol. Trying to cover all bases I note but the fact is most people are interested in the guy hence the 40 or so pages on this thread so you are in the smallest minority. In India, ''Atul Sharma'', is the 5th most googled phrase in the last month.
I can only repeat it's the journey that's the interest this far. Imagine someone on the Manchester United squad for the Champions League Final you didn't even know? There would be a major story. You would say, ''I would not expect anyone else to care''. That would be extremely odd.
I think we are clear it is you that doesn't care about Sharma until he proves to you personally he can bowl accurately etc etc and be fast etc etc ..then against the best in the world etc etc and then over and over again etc etc. However, it is how he got here and not where he is going that is of interest to real cricket fans.