Atul Sharma

[Uppercut]

I think Polo has dug a hole here, he's right in a sense, but posters have been very skeptical on here. Apart from that, I think he's in the money.

He's not saying anything about Sharma that isn't true, he's just disagreeing with a straw man.

 

[Athlai]

expect, anyone, else...lol. Trying to cover all bases I note but the fact is most people are interested in the guy hence the 40 or so pages on this thread so you are in the smallest minority. In India, ''Atul Sharma'', is the 5th most googled phrase in the last month.
I can only repeat it's the journey that's the interest this far. Imagine someone on the Manchester United squad for the Champions League Final you didn't even know? There would be a major story. You would say, ''I would not expect anyone else to care''. That would be extremely odd.
I think we are clear it is you that doesn't care about Sharma until he proves to you personally he can bowl accurately etc etc and be fast etc etc ..then against the best in the world etc etc and then over and over again etc etc. However, it is how he got here and not where he is going that is of interest to real cricket fans.

You do know I started this thread right? I obviously find him interesting, but he ain't a bowler yet making his story neither triumph nor tragedy. As for me covering all the bases? I hadn't changed what I said you just interpreted it incorrectly.

 

[Simple Ton]

The guy who is hyped as being consistently over 100mph is set to hit the IPL. Does anyone actually know ANYTHING about this guy?

Yes I know you started the thread and asked ''does anyone know anything about this guy?'' And now you have the story you say you are not interested...curious then why you asked if you were not interested?
Lots of people will always say, ''yes but'' whenever anything about Sharma comes out. I think you are one of those people and as I say that's fine because lots of fans just like to read how the guy has got this far.
I suggest you get Spin magazine and read the real story as it might interest you more than anything on here. If you were genuinely interested enough to ask about Sharma at least find out the facts about him in print.

 

[Smudge]

Please find it in your heart to finally get the fact that Sharma appears to be someone different and out of the box.

According to who exactly? Oh yes, his coach. I can see the rarest of headlines now:

"Shock exclusive - coach talks up his player!!!
In other news, turn to page three for more on the sun rising in the east"

 

[Flem274*]

Owned.

 

[Top_Cat]

According to who exactly? Oh yes, his coach. I can see the rarest of headlines now:

"Shock exclusive - coach (with likely book/DVD/management career on the way about said player and techniques) talks up his player!!!
In other news, turn to page three for more on the sun rising in the east"

Corrected.

 

[Howsie]

I love Atul Sharma, he is my favourite player.

 

[Flem274*]

If that wasn't sarcasm, then I'm fast losing hope for you.

How can he be a favourite player when he doesn't even PLAY???

 

[adharcric]

According to who exactly? Oh yes, his coach. I can see the rarest of headlines now:

"Shock exclusive - coach talks up his player!!!
In other news, turn to page three for more on the sun rising in the east"

Uh, it's quite obvious that he's taken a very different approach than that of most aspiring fast bowlers so I'm not sure what you're on about. The success (or lack thereof) of this "out-of-the-box" approach remains to be seen but nobody (not even Pont) has guaranteed that these methods will translate into lots of wickets. It's amazing how many in this thread seize every opportunity to act like a witty smart-ass by talking down Pont's credibility. Get a life people, there really isn't much to debate here. Wait and watch - either he'll succeed or he'll fail, what he's done until now is interesting and exciting but nobody's proclaiming him the next great quick.

 

[Smudge]

Uh, it's quite obvious that he's taken a very different approach than that of most aspiring fast bowlers so I'm not sure what you're on about. .

That's more your problem than ours. It's pretty clear what we're on about.

 

[silentstriker]

How about everyone makes a pact to not post anymore until he actually bowls? Somewhere, for some team. Hell, even club cricket. We're discussing a bowler after all.

 

[adharcric]

Sounds good to me.

 

[Simple Ton]

According to who exactly? Oh yes, his coach. I can see the rarest of headlines now:

"Shock exclusive - coach talks up his player!!!
In other news, turn to page three for more on the sun rising in the east"

Well according to Greg Chappell, Shane Watson the RR management team and his Olympic coaches in the US to be more precise. I am sure his own personal coach is proud as anyone would be of how he's got this far. However it is knowledgeable internationals who back Sharma too.
Why can't you give credit for that without being petty?

 

[Goughy]

How about everyone makes a pact to not post anymore until he actually bowls? Somewhere, for some team. Hell, even club cricket. We're discussing a bowler after all.

Yeah, I took that mentality a short while ago. However, after just reading a chunk of this thread, I found the coaching stuff interesting and I thought Id defend the approach Sharma has taken.

As I’ve stated, the evidence and how this has been handled is not great (to say the least). However, the irony is that I probably coach very similar to Pont (independently realized) and I also think we have a lot to learn from Javelin and alternative methods.

Cricket needs new ideas, and frankly fast bowling has virtually always been incorrectly coached.

I don’t have an issue with the way this guy (Sharma) is being coached or the methodology with which it is being approached. It’s just the gimmicky way it is being packaged (which whilst Pont and I share many points on fast bowling I find the philosophies overly jargonized and a little gimmicky.)

I think Pont is correct in most of what he says in terms of mechanics and I like his open approach to new and alternative methods. It just feels packaged for the casual cricket fan and smells a little of snakleoil, self-promoting and slick sales.

Cricket (and fast bowling) needs people to challenge the estabilshed ideas and progress the activity. Im just not keen on the way he presents these ideas. This (Sharma) is a case in point. However, that still doesnt change the fact that he will have useful and valuable things to say.

 

[honestbharani]

Yea, so could I. I don't see a thread about me though.

maybe coz you are not that good..

 

[honestbharani]

But you don't expect anyone else to care until you have results.

40+ pages mean people care to talk about it... maybe positive or negative but this many posts of people not caring about him... doubtful.

 

[honestbharani]

According to who exactly? Oh yes, his coach. I can see the rarest of headlines now:

"Shock exclusive - coach talks up his player!!!
In other news, turn to page three for more on the sun rising in the east"

Also men who have played test cricket.....



But then again, this would probably be the latest page in the book "CW forum member knows more about cricket than test cricketers".....




Shocker indeed.......

 

[honestbharani]

That's more your problem than ours. It's pretty clear what we're on about.

yep... which is nothing......




Juz trying to get in some cheap humour when the fact that men like Warne, Watson and Chappell (not to name the many other cricketing guys involved in the RR set up) think that he MAY be something.....

 

[Smudge]

yep... which is nothing......




Juz trying to get in some cheap humour when the fact that men like Warne, Watson and Chappell (not to name the many other cricketing guys involved in the RR set up) think that he MAY be something.....

Oh, yes, they think he MAY be something. But wait, that's just because Pont has told us they rate/recommend him. Again, it's third-hand information.

Once I see direct quotes from these people, THEN my mind may begin to be changed.

But then again, this would probably be the latest page in the book "CW forum member knows more about cricket than test cricketers"....

Yes, because that's exactly what I'm saying. Way to miss the point.

 

[honestbharani]

Oh, yes, they think he MAY be something. But wait, that's just because Pont has told us they rate/recommend him. Again, it's third-hand information.

Once I see direct quotes from these people, THEN my mind may begin to be changed.





Yes, because that's exactly what I'm saying. Way to miss the point.

He IS in the RR squad... How is that 3rd hand news????????????




And no, I am not missing the point... His coach is talking him up but it is being bought by some of the greatest cricketers in the world, both past and right now... You are right, direct quotes will make it easier to believe but at least the sarcasm can be held off till something is proven about him either way...


You are making it sound as though he will be the worst bowler in the history of all cricket...