Andy Flower vs Alan Knott

[kyear2]

Could you provide a link to the video?

It's one single person, in the grand scheme of things, does it matter?

Would be interesting to hear the rationale though.

 

[subshakerz]

Could you provide a link to the video?

Here. They are discussing Gilly vs Flower and he is asked who is the better keeper.

I respect Jarrod's view moreso than other pundits (though in this case they are picking a lefties XI and didn't even mention Graeme Pollock, unforgivable).

 

[subshakerz]

Dujon was capable of some fantastic innings, while pulling in everything, Knott had some clutch innings.

Knott batted in a horrible era. His batting should be boosted by a few points.

 

[sayon basak]

Knott batted in a horrible era. His batting should be boosted by a few points.

Also averages 41 at 7, which is damn good on itself. Sangakkara and Walcott has similar average while keeping.

 

[kyear2]

Here. They are discussing Gilly vs Flower and he is asked who is the better keeper.

I respect Jarrod's view moreso than other pundits (though in this case they are picking a lefties XI and didn't even mention Graeme Pollock, unforgivable).

First off, that discussion highlighted a lot, and not much of it positive tbh.

Anyone who watched those guys with the gloves and says Flower was better, loses any credibility.

The rest of the discussion, from the very begining really, wasn't much better.

 

[kyear2]

Also averages 41 at 7, which is damn good on itself. Sangakkara and Walcott has similar average while keeping.

But Knott is a full on all rounder for me tbh. And without doubt the 2nd best wicketkeeper batsman of all time.

 

[sayon basak]

But Knott is a full on all rounder for me tbh. And without doubt the 2nd best wicketkeeper batsman of all time.

Yeah, Walcott and Sanga basically offered a similar average with worse keeping.

 

[DrWolverine]

Andy played mostly at number 5(Avg of 54.89 and SR of 46).

Gilly played mostly at number 7(Avg of 46.44 and SR of 83).

Both Andy Flower and Adam Gilchrist had completely different roles.

 

[subshakerz]

Anyone who watched those guys with the gloves and says Flower was better, loses any credibility.

Jarrod doesn't give extra points for keepers being athletic per se. Emphasizes keepers being clean and technically sound. Rates Taylor ahead of Knott I think. Also suggest Les Ames should be rated Gilly level as he had better keeper skills.

I'll be honest, I have no recollection of Flower as keeper but if he was the same level as Gilly it's an interesting conversation then

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's one thing to claim Flower wasn't a bad keeper. It's another to claim he was better than Gilchrist (who was genuinely excellent with the gloves). It's one of the worst cricket opinions I've ever heard.

 

[subshakerz]

It's one thing to claim Flower wasn't a bad keeper. It's another to claim he was better than Gilchrist (who was genuinely excellent with the gloves). It's one of the worst cricket opinions I've ever heard.

Was Flower an average keeper? Did he drop many?

 

[subshakerz]

There is zero evidence to suggest Andy Flower was not a good keeper but some people suggest as if he is Kamran Akmal.

Yeah I just don't recall his keeping being bad at all.

 

[subshakerz]

De Villiers

ABD was actually a very good keeper and averaged 57 with the bat too.

 

[sayon basak]

ABD was actually a very good keeper and averaged 57 with the bat too.

Yeah he was a good keeper, the only thing against him is his small sample size as a keeper.

 

[DrWolverine]

It is not just the small sample size only imo

He was a keeper in just 20% of tests he played

 

[sayon basak]

It is not just the small sample size only imo

He was a keeper in just 20% of tests he played

So yeah, small sample size.

 

[DrWolverine]

ABD was WK for 24 Tests

Between 2012-2015 - A great run
21 Tests. 1955 runs. Avg of 63. 7 centuries.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

It is not just the small sample size only imo

He was a keeper in just 20% of tests he played

So basically the issue is small sample size

 

[kyear2]

Jarrod doesn't give extra points for keepers being athletic per se. Emphasizes keepers being clean and technically sound. Rates Taylor ahead of Knott I think. Also suggest Les Ames should be rated Gilly level as he had better keeper skills.

I'll be honest, I have no recollection of Flower as keeper but if he was the same level as Gilly it's an interesting conversation then

Taylor over Knott wasn't a bold take, Ames didn't especially have a great record vs his one valid opponent of his time, but sure.

But he wasn't nearly on the same level as Gilly.

 

[subshakerz]

But he wasn't nearly on the same level as Gilly.

Ok but what are you giving Gilly extra points for over Flower? Not to be pedantic. Just for my clarification.