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[OverratedSanity]

de Villiers
Dhoni

 

[cnerd123]

ABDV
Bevan

 

[cnerd123]

Thre's no way Symonds was good enough to bowl 10 overs in an AT XI.

Well he won't be bowling to any of the players in this XI, plus he did a perfectly fine job against every side he came against. ODIs are a lot more forgiving to jammy medium pace and non-breaks than any other format.

Sorry a bit late, I missed some pages on this, would have gone for Symonds over Kapil as well.

 

[stephen]

Dhoni being massively overrated at 6 here.

 

[stephen]

To back up my last statement - Bevan averaged 9 runs higher than Dhoni batting at 6 and despite the era differences, Dhoni's stroke rate is only 5 runs per hundred balls higher than Bevan's in that position. Bevan faced far superior opposition in better bowling conditions.

Bevan was simply better than Dhoni in that position and furthermore, Dhoni should keep for the A side since Gilchrist gets the gloves in this team.

 

[stephen]

Fmd,

Jayasuriya 323 wickets in 368 innings at
avg 36.7
sr.. 46.0
eco 4.78

Symonds 133 wickets only in 158 innings at
avg 37.2
sr.. 44.6
eco 5.00

Viv Richards 118 wickets in 131 innings at
avg 35.8
sr.. 47.8
eco 4.49
(although eco was lower in his era too)


Who needs Symonds as the 5th bowler when you have Jayasuriya and Viv! So Jayasuriya is an undisputed starter imo if you see how big an all-rounder he is and he didn't just fluke it or something for a short period of time during his peak, he did it throughout his career and maintained such an incredible record.

And when you bring in Jayasuriya, the whole balance of the side gets sorted out and then you can gun up in batting and obliterate all opposition with your depth without fear of losing wickets. Whereas if you play Gilly and end up with just 6 batsmen including him, if a few wickets fall early, you got barely much batting left and incredibly weak tail to follow.

So in ODIs you got to have 7 quality batsmen in there, especially with the weak tail.
Otherwise, playing on a bowler friendly pitch for example could expose the depth of the lineup or in other scenarios where you ineplicably lose wickets early.

Generally speaking, it's hard to split combining Gilchrist and Bevan with Dhoni and Jayasuria. You really wouldn't pick Jaya and Gilly or Dhoni and Bevan in the same team. You could consider picking Gilly and Dhoni together but Bevan did what Dhoni did but against stronger opposition.

Picking an ODI side is far more about getting the combination right than it is about simply picking the best 6 bats, best keeper and best 4 bowlers like it is in tests.

 

[Victor Ian]

devil(liers)
bevan

 

[Victor Ian]

This is going to be a weird ranking. I can see the A team being much better in the field and batting very deep and potentially being the better team while this list will have the bigger names.

 

[Himannv]

ABdV
Bevan

Kapil at 7 messes with the balance a bit as Klusener is a better batsman, which is what you need at this stage with a tail like that.

 

[stephen]

This is going to be a weird ranking. I can see the A team being much better in the field and batting very deep and potentially being the better team while this list will have the bigger names.

Yeah well the A team will have Ponting at 3 and one of Bevan or Dhoni to finish plus Jayasuria to open. I'm imagining a bowling attack that includes Hadlee and possibly Waqar and maybe with Symonds in the middle order there will be a ton of great players in it. Certainly I'd pay to watch a match between the two!

 

[CricAddict]

This is going to be a weird ranking. I can see the A team being much better in the field and batting very deep and potentially being the better team while this list will have the bigger names.

Exactly. I made the same comment couple of pages back

 

[kingkallis]

de Villiers
Bevan

 

[Teuton]

I can't see how Kapil who brings both great bowling and batting at 7 with a strike rate decades ahead of his time can unbalance a side. Some serious understating the role a bowler plays in ODI cricket. Surely it improves the balance to not have the lesser 5th bowler that a side can target.

 

[Himannv]

I can't see how Kapil who brings both great bowling and batting at 7 with a strike rate decades ahead of his time can unbalance a side. Some serious understating the role a bowler plays in ODI cricket. Surely it improves the balance to not have the lesser 5th bowler that a side can target.

Klusener + Symonds is a good combination of players for the 5th bowling slot and it gives superior batting depth. I'm not saying Kapil Dev is a bad option or anything, just that Klusener + Symonds is more balanced selection considering the tail.

 

[CricAddict]

Klusener + Symonds is a good combination of players for the 5th bowling slot and it gives superior batting depth. I'm not saying Kapil Dev is a bad option or anything, just that Klusener + Symonds is more balanced selection considering the tail.

Is Symonds being overrated in the forum? Kapil is miles ahead of him as a bowler and if it is just end over bashing, then there is no difference between them on that as well.

 

[NUFAN]

5 Lara
6 De Villiers

I know Lara looks a little off at 5 but I think his ability will suit what the team needs more so than others as lets face it, a number 5 for this team is different to a standard team. Also having a left hand bat in the middle is very useful, not many successful teams have all RH bats from 3 to 6.

 

[centurymaker]

Is Symonds being overrated in the forum? Kapil is miles ahead of him as a bowler and if it is just end over bashing, then there is no difference between them on that as well.

Yea being massively overrated. And the fact is that Andrew Symonds only played 180 ODIs ...in an era when teams were playing so many one-day games a year. And thats because Symonds was only a regular from 2003 to 2009! A relatively short career. He is not an ATG ffs.

 

[stephen]

5 Lara
6 De Villiers

I know Lara looks a little off at 5 but I think his ability will suit what the team needs more so than others as lets face it, a number 5 for this team is different to a standard team. Also having a left hand bat in the middle is very useful, not many successful teams have all RH bats from 3 to 6.

Bevan is also a left hander!

Yea being massively overrated. And the fact is that Andrew Symonds only played 180 ODIs ...in an era when teams were playing so many one-day games a year. And thats because Symonds was only a regular from 2003 to 2009! A relatively short career. He is not an ATG ffs.

Klusener had an equally short career and people rate him. Many people consider Saqlain to be the third best ODI spinner of all time and he played virtually the same number of ODIs over a very similar time period.

Symonds was the compete package as an ODI cricketer. He would be an ATG on his batting alone but he was also a very handy bowler and one of the best fielders of all time.

The biggest hole in his record is not the length of time he played (he was an integral part of two separate WC campaigns) but his record at home, which was below par. If he was an Asian cricketer and had the same "by country" record he'd have a career average closer to 47 than 40.

Still, Symonds basically averaged 40 with the bat batting mostly at 5 with a strike rate close to 100. There are very few who have done that and scored a significant amount of runs.

Anyway I really don't think Symonds fits into this team but he'll be a very good fit for the A team.

 

[randycricfreak]

AB
MSD

You shouldn't have asked the first question as who should be the keeper.That way Gilly gets in easily.
Jayasuriya and Tendulkar would have been super duper combo at the top

 

[stephen]

5 Lara
6 De Villiers

I know Lara looks a little off at 5 but I think his ability will suit what the team needs more so than others as lets face it, a number 5 for this team is different to a standard team. Also having a left hand bat in the middle is very useful, not many successful teams have all RH bats from 3 to 6.

AB
MSD

You shouldn't have asked the first question as who should be the keeper.That way Gilly gets in easily.
Jayasuriya and Tendulkar would have been super duper combo at the top

Who the keeper is is the most important question to this XI.

And since there are 5 bone fide bowlers Jayasuria would not get in ahead of Gilchrist as a batsman. Someone like Mark Waugh would be picked instead.

MSD is superfluous to requirements in this team. If MSD was picked first then Gilly wouldn't be needed since there are other players who did the batting better.