All time world ODI XI game

[srbhkshk]

Who the keeper is is the most important question to this XI.

And since there are 5 bone fide bowlers Jayasuria would not get in ahead of Gilchrist as a batsman. Someone like Mark Waugh would be picked instead.

MSD is superfluous to requirements in this team. If MSD was picked first then Gilly wouldn't be needed since there are other players who did the batting better.

MSD is one of the greatest ODI batsman - AND a keeper.

He is superfluous if you think Bevan is a better batsman, a lot of people don't. (and who knows his batting would have been a couple of notches better if he didn't have the keeping duty to go with it? Making him distinctly better than Bevan)

 

[stephen]

MSD is one of the greatest ODI batsman - AND a keeper.

He is superfluous if you think Bevan is a better batsman, a lot of people don't. (and who knows his batting would have been a couple of notches better if he didn't have the keeping duty to go with it? Making him distinctly better than Bevan)

MSD was a fine ODI batsman and one of the best chasers in history. But all evidence suggests that Bevan was a much better batsman, particularly batting at 6 (which is the position we're picking). Dhoni did better further up the order. Batting 5 or 6 his average and strike rate drops significantly.

 

[OverratedSanity]

"Much better" is nonsense . I can accept Bevan being slightly ahead but there's a minuscule gap overall.

 

[centurymaker]

MSD is one of the greatest ODI batsman - AND a keeper.

He is superfluous if you think Bevan is a better batsman, a lot of people don't. (and who knows his batting would have been a couple of notches better if he didn't have the keeping duty to go with it? Making him distinctly better than Bevan)

Dhoni is an ATG ODI batsman and has had claims to even being the "greatest ever". Plus he is a quality keeper, have people seen his incredible stumpings? And in his prime, one of the most destructive hitters. A full package. On batting alone he easily belongs in the top 6. Gilly is not even fit to tie his shoe laces in 'one-day cricket', such is the difference in ability. This is a futile exercise with heavily biased voting.

Just don't vote or simply vote for Aussies and let the Aussies select an all time australia Xi with a couple of internationals. Far better IMO.

M Waugh
Gilly
Ponting
Viv
D. Jones
Bevan
Symonds
Warne
Lee
Akram
McGrath


Gilly > Dhoni
Waugh > Tendulkar, similar average, better bowler & fielder
Symonds is an ATG, full package.
Warne > Murali, and is a leggie, while other had a dodgy action
Brett Lee is the fastest bowler the world has seen, a speedster like him is a must.

 

[centurymaker]

"Much better" is nonsense . I can accept Bevan being slightly ahead but there's a minuscule gap overall.

Just don't bother with this exercise. Delete or change your votes. We are selecting an Channel Nine all time ODI XI, so of course Bevan is far >>>> Dhoni.

(When in truth it could easily be Dhoni > Bevan.)

If Dhoni had retired after 2011 world cup or around 2013 after champions trophy triumph, opinions would be very different. He had already shown and achieved everything so I don't hold him back for playing on well past his prime as he's still been contributing positively to the side in one-days. Not so much in T20s anymore.

 

[centurymaker]

After much thought I have deleted the original picks and now changed my picks to -

5. Bevan
6. Symonds



(Best finishers, have won multiple world cups, no other finisher in the world has achieved that)

 

[CricAddict]

Who the keeper is is the most important question to this XI.

And since there are 5 bone fide bowlers Jayasuria would not get in ahead of Gilchrist as a batsman. Someone like Mark Waugh would be picked instead.

MSD is superfluous to requirements in this team. If MSD was picked first then Gilly wouldn't be needed since there are other players who did the batting better.

I have followed your posts in several threads on selecting all time odi Xi and believe that you have a genuine interest in selecting the best team. But there is an inherent bias when you say Mark Waugh, Gilchrist, Symonds, Bevan and Warne are better than similarly positioned players. You may genuinely think they are better but it doesn't come across to everyone as genuine when they are all Australian players.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Meh, most Indians have picked Sachin, Kohli, Dhoni too.

And rightly so

 

[CricAddict]

Meh, most Indians have picked Sachin, Kohli, Dhoni too.

And rightly so

Yeah true. Sachin, Viv, Akram and McGrath are the only non contentious picks. Everyone else gets picked based on who is available for voting at that time.

 

[weldone]

Yeah true. Sachin, Viv, Akram and McGrath are the only non contentious picks. Everyone else gets picked based on who is available for voting at that time.

McGrath - I'm not so sure about. Guy couldn't bat or field - so if one wants to avoid a long tail and wants to drop one among him, Garner and Murali then he's an option. (Garner - better batsman, Murali - better fielder)

 

[srbhkshk]

Yeah true. Sachin, Viv, Akram and McGrath are the only non contentious picks. Everyone else gets picked based on who is available for voting at that time.

Eh, I'd say Kohli and ABD are just about as non contentious.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Symonds was a very good batsman and great fielder, but not on the radar a bowler for me.

I'd consider him a 6th bowler at best ... trundling 3 or 4 overs a match ... on a good day!

 

[GuyFromLancs]

I have followed your posts in several threads on selecting all time odi Xi and believe that you have a genuine interest in selecting the best team. But there is an inherent bias when you say Mark Waugh, Gilchrist, Symonds, Bevan and Warne are better than similarly positioned players. You may genuinely think they are better but it doesn't come across to everyone as genuine when they are all Australian players.

Agreed. Bevan is an automatic.

Waugh very, very good but not elite. Ditto Gilchrist and Warne is deffo second to Murali in this format.

 

[NUFAN]

Bevan is also a left hander!

Im not a fan of bringing in a poor Test player in the best ever ODI team.

I also believe that one of Bevans abilities was to strike at say 66 against the good bowlers and to target the weak bowlers. That was a fine tactic playing for the worlds best team against normal countries but will they play weak bowlers？Also Lara is world class. The brilliance of Lara fits the team more for mine.

Tl dr：If im not 100% sold on a player I am voting for a player I would target for the spot, not the general consensus.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Im not a fan of bringing in a poor Test player in the best ever ODI team.

I also believe that one of Bevans abilities was to strike at say 66 against the good bowlers and to target the weak bowlers. That was a fine tactic playing for the worlds best team against normal countries but will they play weak bowlers？Also Lara is world class. The brilliance of Lara fits the team more for mine.

Tl dr：If im not 100% sold on a player I am voting for a player I would target for the spot, not the general consensus.

That's a beauty of cricket though right? Great ODI batsman, crap test batsman.

Part of the art of the game

 

[Gob]

Could have been a much better test bat but played for the wrong team at a wrong time.

 

[Red]

Dhoni is an ATG ODI batsman and has had claims to even being the "greatest ever". Plus he is a quality keeper, have people seen his incredible stumpings? And in his prime, one of the most destructive hitters. A full package. On batting alone he easily belongs in the top 6. Gilly is not even fit to tie his shoe laces in 'one-day cricket', such is the difference in ability. This is a futile exercise with heavily biased voting.

Just don't vote or simply vote for Aussies and let the Aussies select an all time australia Xi with a couple of internationals. Far better IMO.

M Waugh
Gilly
Ponting
Viv
D. Jones
Bevan
Symonds
Warne
Lee
Akram
McGrath


Gilly > Dhoni
Waugh > Tendulkar, similar average, better bowler & fielder
Symonds is an ATG, full package.
Warne > Murali, and is a leggie, while other had a dodgy action
Brett Lee is the fastest bowler the world has seen, a speedster like him is a must.

Just don't bother with this exercise. Delete or change your votes. We are selecting an Channel Nine all time ODI XI, so of course Bevan is far >>>> Dhoni.

(When in truth it could easily be Dhoni > Bevan.)

If Dhoni had retired after 2011 world cup or around 2013 after champions trophy triumph, opinions would be very different. He had already shown and achieved everything so I don't hold him back for playing on well past his prime as he's still been contributing positively to the side in one-days. Not so much in T20s anymore.

FMD, thanks for your positivity into what was meant to be a fun little exercise . I've certainly lost interest after your pathetic rants. Cheers.

 

[Gob]

Just ignore the knob and continue the thread.

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Headache. Difficult to split Gilchrist and Dhoni as keepers if picking Dhoni means you have Sanath J opening, whom Gilchrist marginally betters IMO. Yet Sanath bowls well and I can't justify Gilchrist and Dhoni for some reason.

In answer to the other question:

De Villiers
?

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Could have been a much better test bat but played for the wrong team at a wrong time.

Yes. They had a sickening embarrassment of riches between the late 90s and mid 00s