All-rounders with equal bowling/batting skill?

[Prince EWS]

Given the lower scoring when he played I think he was much more a kallis than pollock

Yeah definitely. Stats look balanced now but he was definitely a batting allrounder. When I standardised his averages he came out as 48 with the bat and 31 with the ball.

Goddard's standardised to something that looks a lot closer - 39 with the bat and 27 with the ball - particularly when you consider the fact that he was an opening batsman and a miserly support bowler rather than a strike option, two factors that sway his stats towards looking more like a bowler and less like a batsman than was actually the case.

 

[smash84]

Yeah definitely. Stats look balanced now but he was definitely a batting allrounder. When I standardised his averages he came out as 48 with the bat and 31 with the ball.

Goddard's standardised to something that looks a lot closer - 39 with the bat and 27 with the ball - particularly when you consider the fact that he was an opening batsman and a miserly support bowler rather than a strike option, two factors that sway his stats towards looking more like a bowler and less like a batsman than was actually the case.

can you post the link to your standardized averages thread here please?

 

[Prince EWS]

can you post the link to your standardized averages thread here please?

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...w-batting-list-post-444-bowling-445-a-12.html

As it says in the title, most updated versions are in posts 444 and 445.

I really should update the OP explaining how it works now and linking to its evolutions at some point.

 

[smash84]

thanks

 

[weldone]

Chris Cairns

 

[Gowza]

Abdul Razzaq

 

[Howsie]

Chris Cairns

Yep. Was going to be my shout

 

[Hurricane]

James Hopes
Chris Harris
Bopara? I know he is supposed to be a batsman but he hasn't climbed great heights in that department.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Someone with a lengthy Test career who exuded mediocrity in equal measures with bat and ball is Derek Pringle.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Dan Christian

 

[watson]

Great allrounders? I can only think of 2 who were able to bat and bowl with almost equal skill, plus were good enough to bat in the top 6 and open the bowling in the same Test - Miller and Botham.

 

[Gowza]

Rice a shout but not on the international scale. As far as equality in both batting and bowling miller and botham are good shouts but there were other all rounders who could be genuine bowlers and genuine batsmen e.g. Sobers, imran, procter, cairns, faulkner but their sklls in the two aspects weren't equal however they were good enough to be picked in both aspects separately (maybe not their entire careers but at least in periods).

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Great allrounders? I can only think of 2 who were able to bat and bowl with almost equal skill, plus were good enough to bat in the top 6 and open the bowling in the same Test - Miller and Botham.

I understand Imran batted at 7 more than he batted at 6. But to exclude his vastly superior numbers both with bat and ball, for Botham, is to me, ridiculous.

If you wish to respond with "young Botham", I would reply with 1982-92 "Old Imran" over a longer period of time - where as captain he averaged 52 with the bat and 20 with the ball.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Scott Styris.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Scott Styris.

ODI cricket, maybe. Jacob Oram more so for test cricket which highlights NZ weakness with bat and ball.

 

[Dan]

Late-career Vettori? Important engine-room saviour with the bat (churning out important runs despite being technically limited), and important engine-room stock bowler (still taking wickets despite being physically limited)

 

[Hurricane]

KNB surely

 

[Dan]

Peter Trego

 

[The Sean]

Going on test stats you could maybe say Aubrey Faulkner? Averaged 40.79 with the bat, 4 centuries, 26.58 with the ball 4 five wicket hauls.

Given the lower scoring when he played I think he was much more a kallis than pollock

Yeah definitely. Stats look balanced now but he was definitely a batting allrounder. When I standardised his averages he came out as 48 with the bat and 31 with the ball.

Faulkner is an interesting one insofar as his statistics - particularly when considering the era in which he played - certainly do point in the direction of a player who was more a batting all-rounder than a bowling one, but it seems that at the time it wasn't that clear cut and I remember Wisden themselves - perhaps in his obituary if memory serves - mentioning his considerable batting achievements while noting that bowling always remained the stronger half of his game. They may well have been referring to his FC career as much as his Test career in fairness, as they were often wont to do in those days.

 

[The Sean]

At Test level Ray Illingworth might be worth a shout, as he was very useful - without being exceptional - at either discipline (genuinely outstanding as a skipper, of course), though bowling was the stronger half of his game when looking at the entirety of his FC career.