A finance idea that will take WCC to a whole new level!

[bugssy]

while i like it

it would need a very close eye kept on it and some hot irons to get out the rinkles.

but i think it is a step in the right position however it wouldnt see the lesser sides get up to that 1st division.

 

[nibbs]

if you had reat it properly you would know that if a team got promoted they would instantly recieve as much money in that div as every1 else.

but how do you get promoted if you don't have the money?

 

[Blewy]

I personally like some of the ideas...

Those who have read my interview with Simon would see i had a few ideas for WCC, something similar to this is what i had in mind....

My plan which still has some things which need to be ironed out, is to give each team, from there ranking in the WCC a salary budget, they then have to distribute that budget amongst their playing staf.. If by some chance another team wants one of their players and puts in a wage which is higher than that of the original team then they would have to either match it or release the player, therefore the higher profile players would then be shared around and would require some tactical work from the managers to decide on who is most valuable to their side...

Like i said this is a idea i have been considering for a while now and i thought i'd share it now...

 

[nibbs]

I personally like some of the ideas...

Those who have read my interview with Simon would see i had a few ideas for WCC, something similar to this is what i had in mind....

My plan which still has some things which need to be ironed out, is to give each team, from there ranking in the WCC a salary budget, they then have to distribute that budget amongst their playing staf.. If by some chance another team wants one of their players and puts in a wage which is higher than that of the original team then they would have to either match it or release the player, therefore the higher profile players would then be shared around and would require some tactical work from the managers to decide on who is most valuable to their side...

Like i said this is a idea i have been considering for a while now and i thought i'd share it now...

GB, surely clubs could have money making ventures that could increase their budget...

 

[Blewy]

The problem with something like that is that its really hard to do, whereas something like what i said would be easy to keep track of...

 

[Rich2001]

What about introducing Transfer fees instead of all the masses of wages etc

This could save alot of work, as to make it harder and more intresting you wouldn't need to valuate the players it can all be done during trading and the ablity of the managers.

Basically what iam saying is that each team still gets the sponsors (how this would be done random amounts - set amounts etc is felxible)

This money then becomes the teams money to spend on players as they wish during the transfer period. Rather than just saying Mr A for Mr C you could table bids for players, it would make it harder for top teams to do over the lesser sides as nobody would know a true value of the players, maybe add players and cash exchanges to add some intrest?

Winning your Division / VB Cup etc could get you bouns money and to get all you All Star series haters intrested you could get a bouns for each player from your team that is selected to represent your division

 

[Blewy]

Ok im not sure if i am getting your idea correctly Rich but here's a bit more of a run down of my idea with a few adjustments...

Teams get offers for sponsership for 3 different Areas...
eg, Travel, Clothing, Major Sponsor..

The money from the sponsorship goes toward your player wages, So a 1st Division team may get $1mill whereas a Div 5 team may get $500k. This money is used to offer contracts to players..
Eg, Mashonaland offer T.Petal $50k each season for 3 seasons, now if a team came along and put in a bid for $100k then Mashonaland would have to either up their bid or release Petal, but if no other offers were made then Petal would be with Mashonaland for 3 seasons, and for any other team to get him during that time they would have to pay over the $50k (eg $100k)and also have the offer accepted by Mashonaland. The incentive for Mashonaland would then be they would recieve a compensation for the sale which would go to their budget...

On top of Sponsor money we could also have the Prizemoney from winning Tournaments and Divisions, as well as Rich's idea of bonuses for players selected in All Star sides...

The good thing about implementing this is that originally it would not be difficult as managers would set the wages for their players on their own opinions...
so if they undervalued or overvalued a player they would lose out...

Now forgive me if this sounds a little hard to understand as im am very very tired and when i get home in the morning ill probably not know what im on about, but see what you think of it....

 

[Rich2001]

Ok Blewy that sounds fine, however this bit completly lost me

This money is used to offer contracts to players..
Eg, Mashonaland offer T.Petal $50k each season for 3 seasons, now if a team came along and put in a bid for $100k then Mashonaland would have to either up their bid or release Petal, but if no other offers were made then Petal would be with Mashonaland for 3 seasons, and for any other team to get him during that time they would have to pay over the $50k (eg $100k)and also have the offer accepted by Mashonaland. The incentive for Mashonaland would then be they would recieve a compensation for the sale which would go to their budget...

I mean it just cancels itself out, first I was highly concerned that anyone justs tops my bid and I'll lose the player as you say "now if a team came along and put in a bid for $100k then Mashonaland would have to either up their bid or release Petal"... Yet reading on to find that a team can top it but it must be agreed by the current club first, so if they turn it down they wouldn't have any need to up the wages right? or release the player?

If you added this idea there would be no way you could have even squad numbers (16) as you aren't trading you are just buying.

Also with your idea could you say offer A.Name (£50k) plus £20k for a player with a wage of say 65k? Or is it just money?

 

[Blewy]

Ok i think ill leave this topic till 2morrow, my heads starting to hurt from thinking so hard...

Im struggling to stay awake here...

Ill get back to this 2morrow...
:alien8: :alien8: :alien8:

 

[aditya]

Here is my view.

All the players shl be given a minimum transfer fee.Now the manager who wants to sell any players declares that so and so player is available for transfer.Now other managers bid for that player more than his transfer fee.The best bid is taken by the manager selling.Instead of trading player to player we will trade player for money and with that money we can buy another player.
This will be better for the weaker teams.It totally on the manager to transfer list the player and he can get a very good amount for it by which he can buy new players.Its actually the same thing with just the inclusion of money to make is interesting.

At the start all teams will be allowed to retain 10 players and the total transfer money of other six players will be given to the manager to play with.As he sells other player he shall get more money.Every season the transfer fee of the player will change according to the performance in the previous season.This can be incorporated in the new sim which is being developed by Sriram.Now if a manager is not willing to pay that amount the player is forcecully transfer listed.

Now for good teams most of the players will play well so all of their transfer fee will increase so they will have to leave out certain player.This will even out the teams.

We can categorise all the players in diff grades according to performance and then set the transfer fee.

Assume that A Jones is worth $50000.
I transfer list him and get offers from many clubs.I select the best one.By the money which i get i can buy other player.

Now next season due to great performance A Jones fee increases and if i am not able to afford it then he gets transfer listed and other can buy him.

The clubs winning in their respective divisions should get some price money which they can spend to buy players.

 

[Agent TBY]

What I am suggesting is something parallel to what Aditya has said above.Instead of transfer value,we could have wages and if you cannot afford a player's wages,you transfer list him!You get a small amount,plus the team,whose bid has been accepted offers the player a fixed wage!

And for all those who are copping a heart attack[Marc,Si], its not all that complicated.Once at the start of the season you work out the wage bill and sort it out,its done until the next season,you do not need to worry about it!

 

[Rik]

Well frankly if I had to fight to keep my best player with other teams with way more money than myself then I might as well go and thump my head on the wall. I'm happy with the WCC and as a few people have said it's doing fine and the last thing you want to do is over-complicate it. If you want to pay players money then buy ICC...

 

[aditya]

Well frankly if I had to fight to keep my best player with other teams with way more money than myself then I might as well go and thump my head on the wall. I'm happy with the WCC and as a few people have said it's doing fine and the last thing you want to do is over-complicate it. If you want to pay players money then buy ICC...

Its not at all complicated.I think majority of the managers have played games like ICC and CM so if they can handle that then this is nothing.

 

[Rik]

Its not at all complicated.I think majority of the managers have played games like ICC and CM so if they can handle that then this is nothing.

Well what I've read is far too complicated. This is an online game, it's success has been built by the fact that almost anyone can play it as long as they have a slight grasp of maths and common sense, it's the pick up and play value. I really don't see how a finance system would help either the WCC itself or the people who run it, remember these guys do a lot of work just simming the matches and keeping the forum and the site up to date. If anything I feel it would cause quite a few managers who play it for fun, like myself, but have other commitments too, to get bogged down and leave. I come onto CW, put down my team then check my result, I can't do much else because of commitments but I'm leading Div5 4D in my 1st season so I'm not really taking the place of a more dedicated manager am I?

I'm throwing my ideas in because I don't want to keep having to check the site to see if I have enough money to keep one of my stars etc. Most of this stuff just seems to be a bit pointless.

 

[marc71178]

And for all those who are copping a heart attack[Marc,Si], its not all that complicated.Once at the start of the season you work out the wage bill and sort it out,its done until the next season,you do not need to worry about it!

Just because we don't think the idea is great we're "copping a heart attack"?


For this to work, it all needs to be kept track of, which will involve a lot of work for 1 or 2 people.

 

[marc71178]

Its not at all complicated.I think majority of the managers have played games like ICC and CM so if they can handle that then this is nothing.

ICC and CM have sophesticated programs in place to keep track of everything and set values etc.

We don't.

 

[Rik]

ICC and CM have sophesticated programs in place to keep track of everything and set values etc.

We don't.

Also remembering that you can basically play those games in real-time and they have an interface. WCC is forum, Website and Email bassed and is run by a lot of people all over the world.

To complicate the WCC any more would take away the reason why WCC has been such a success:

It's pick up and play value. It's easy to pick up and anyone can play, even if they don't have much experiance of cricket. "Too many cooks spoil the broth" "Too many needless extras spoil the WCC?"

 

[Neil Pickup]

I agree with Marc, Rik and Si.

I get the feeling that this will dilute the ethos of WCC away from what it is currently - a community-based fun PBeM. With all this cacophony of figures, I feel it may turn into something so stat-filled it puts off 90% of newcomers.

Also, beware the effect that D1 could become far superior to D5. It's not good. See English Football.

 

[Cloete]

well considering there r a few more people for the diea. and even blewy and rich r for it. then i think you should atleast hear out everybody's ideas. and when blewy finds the right 1 i think it should pass. personally i like rich's idea alot.

 

[Cloete]

I get the feeling that this will dilute the ethos of WCC away from what it is currently - a community-based fun PBeM. With all this cacophony of figures, I feel it may turn into something so stat-filled it puts off 90% of newcomers.

taht is utter tripe. i think u'll find that most people would love the idea of money in a sim. just because the four of you aren't used to it, u find it hard to deal with. i am sure if you get used to it u will quite enjoy it. it's not going to turn into something stat filled at all. you make a bid and it gets turned down or rejected. you have a set amount of cash with which u can bid for players. i don't think any price tags should go onto players. rather teh fact that when 2 managers agreee on a bid the player goes. and you get more/less money for how ur team performed. now if say you are in div 5. you can always pick up a really good player and sell him then get some decent players. then say win teh div get more money have a really great player sell him get alot of money and then you can bid for some gr8 players. i think if u gave it a chance and thought outside of the box you might actually find the idea enjoyable.