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#5/6-11 in the batting order
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4th thread - who's going to win?
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morgieb
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11 wickets @ 22. Has only played the two games though.
46 wickets @ 26 last season. So probably the form spinner in England, though I can see his selection ending in tears.
flibbertyjibber
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If they were seriously considering him for the ashes he should have had at least one test in WI.
He can stay at Yorkshire and help us to another title instead.
wpdavid
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Although that may change post-Moores.
The other thing is that if he's part of a five-man attack, we have alternatives if he's having an off-spell, which wouldn't be the case if we only had four bowlers in the side.
All that being said, I don't really know if he's a better bet than Moeen. I just question the assumption that he's hopeless based on what he was doing a couple of seasons ago and one warmup in the Caribbean. Especially when Moeen's form has been so dire lately.
Shady Slim
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bold prediction though i'm going to make it anyway, moeen is either going to be pumped sulieman benn style or get a bunch of wickets when players such as warner try to pump him
this ashes is going to be won or lost by the spinners
this ashes is going to be won or lost by the spinners
Lillian Thomson
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There's an irrational sense of optimism amongst a lot of England followers. We have no Test class spinner, no Test class Keeper, a new ball pair who currently both look likely to crack under pressure, unproven and inadequate 3rd and 4th seamer, a number 6 who'll come off twice a summer if we're lucky, unproven and iffy looking opener, a middle order where two of the three are misfiring. Happy holidays.
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wpdavid
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Now here's someone I can agree with .
You could add that our best batsman has been nobbled by being awarded England's Player of the Year. Kiss of death if recent winners are anything to go by.
I wonder what the bookies are offering for Aus to win 5-0. Has to be worth a tenner if the weather holds.
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cpr
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Well although its not a World Cup year, we've still got to celebrate the British summer tradition of overestimating the talent of a bunch of mediocre sportsmen
To be honest I am probably a lot more optimistic than I probably should be but I really like this England team, just a lot of players that I like in it. The fact that so many people are desperate to moan at them at any given opportunity just makes that stronger.
Burgey
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You've got to factor in the pretty ordinary records of a lot of the Aussie team in England, and the others who are unproven there.
Johnson has a lot to prove this series, Haze should be great but I thought Bird and Patto would be last tour as well. The batting is still really fragile IMO.
I think Australia will win, but largely because England has a lot of blokes who seem a bit shot ATM, rather than this being a very good or great Aussie line up.
Johnson has a lot to prove this series, Haze should be great but I thought Bird and Patto would be last tour as well. The batting is still really fragile IMO.
I think Australia will win, but largely because England has a lot of blokes who seem a bit shot ATM, rather than this being a very good or great Aussie line up.
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Lillian Thomson
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I don't think many people are desperate to moan at them. I don't blame them as individuals for not being good enough to play Test Cricket. It's not as if (KP aside) there are a string of better quality players who are not being selected.
GIMH
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What do you think is the cause of the lack of talent coming through, as you see it?
Lillian Thomson
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Absolutely no idea. In my time of watching County Cricket has never produced anything other than the occasional strong XI. The 2005 side was a strong side but it was fleeting and there wasn't another group of unlucky players being left out. It just seems at the moment there's an extraordinary lack of quality. To have an XI where half of them are unproven is quite worrying - especially so when some of the established players are in poor form.
A lot of them are unproven because we just had a whole lot of good players retire in the last few years and quite a few of the new players have done pretty well. The real problem for England over the last couple of years has been that so many of the previous generation, which had been genuinely good for a while, have played really badly.
Of course you are right, England just generally are not a great side, has been like that basically forever.
Of course you are right, England just generally are not a great side, has been like that basically forever.
wpdavid
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And I'd like to think that's been my main gripe in recent times. It wouldn't be hard to find posts where I've moaned about Bell, or suggested that Broad and Anderson aren't all they're cracked up to be, but I think you'd struggle to find posts where I've complained about the newbies. Possibly Moeen's form this summer, and whether he should be in the side, but that's about it. If people struggle with someone's objective view being 4 or 5 tests to Aus this summer, then that's their problem. Saves me some of the disappointment if that's what happens, and I end up being all the happier if they prove me wrong.