2024–25 Australian Domestic Season

[Nintendo]

lol Weatherald. What a shocking shot first rock

Duality of weatherald. 150 that nearly broke Bannerman last round, first ball duck here. Bloke has a better shield average opening than renshaw, surprised he's not thrown around more as a Test opener.

 

[Burgey]

Wardy strangled down leg side glancing Doggett. Dire

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Wardy strangled down leg side glancing Doggett. Dire

I thought it was pretty bloody good myself


Seriously though, while the ball to get Ward was undoubtedly pretty ordinary, Doggett has started pretty well outside of that

 

[Nintendo]

Anyone know davies batting numbers by position? Be interested to see what he averages at #6 for NSW vs #4/5. Back down to #6 today and he's batting like last year again.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Duality of weatherald. 150 that nearly broke Bannerman last round, first ball duck here. Bloke has a better shield average opening than renshaw, surprised he's not thrown around more as a Test opener.

He was in horrible form a couple years back and was rightfully dropped from state cricket

 

[Qlder]

Wow, Rocchiccioli takes 7/52 on 1st day at the Gabba

Also pity Renshaw didn't make runs as with Konstas playing like a tool he has a chance of a Test recall if he does really well in his last 3 shield games

 

[GoodAreasShane]

He was in horrible form a couple years back and was rightfully dropped from state cricket

That really isn't particularly accurate, at least of his time in South Australia. While his form had definitely been patchy, he himself decided to take a break from domestic cricket in his last season here, he was still easily better than the alternative options (as we can see by Kelvin Smith and now McInerney getting games). Then he moved to Tasmania, looked pretty rancid in his first couple of games across formats, then just wasn't picked again all season.

There was chat that he even wanted to get out of his 2 year deal there before this season but Cricket Tasmania wouldn't release him. Although I have heard a couple of different stories about the sequence of events, so I can't say anything definitively on that one

 

[Chubb]

Check out Deer Park Club’s skipper

 

[TheJediBrah]

Is that Fawad? Remember facing him as a kid when he played for Hoppers Crossing. Good to see him back in club cricket

 

[Chubb]

Is that Fawad? Remember facing him as a kid when he played for Hoppers Crossing. Good to see him back in club cricket

Yep

 

[social]

Odd day of cricket

Konstas really needs to have a look at himself, Roccxyz with an amazing return, SA v Tassie fk knows what’s going on there

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Yep

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Always liked Fawad, a quality bowler and a quality human being

Did once stride out to the crease in a Shield game without a bat though

 

[the big bambino]

He simply wasn't playing anything like that up until close to then (that mickey mouse 15 a side PM's XI game specifically was when the ramps and other stuff first came out). It's wrong to definitively say there is no correlation at all

You can never know so I'll guess at the circumstances around his call up. There was a vacancy that McSweeney hadn't nailed down and Konstas was in form. I'm guessing the selectors were concerned about our starts which were scratchy, slow and unproductive. This was in some part unfair as there were times when Sween and Usman batted crucial overs - Adelaide for one iirc. Nonetheless it is true the openers couldn't get away from Bumrah and set up the innings for the middle order. They wanted someone who'd take the game away on the green pitches and the seam proud balls. Someone who was capable of doing a Warner or at least bazball Bumrah - who has been bazballed before. I think that innings in the PM's XI got him in the side and showed he could be unorthodox and score quickly. I think the selectors told him, or otherwise made it known to play like that, and it'd get him in the side (though they gave Sween one last chance).

Then came the fireworks at Melbourne and its clear by the way he played up to the crowd then and subsequently verballed Bumrah, that the excitement and attention is affecting his batting now.

If the above guessing is right, then the call up was fine and so would have been the playing to instructions. But you can't play like a cowboy forever, and that was mentioned at the time. He needs to be spoken to and told to play like early season Sam. He's got the game and gears and needs to learn when to apply them. I'm happy he was picked but I'm more worried about how he will be managed now. That is a greater danger than the risk of picking him for his first test.

 

[Qlder]

Fun fact: Marcus Harris and Sam Konstas now have exactly the same 506 runs @ 46.00 in 7 shield games this season...

 

[Chubb]

I hate to say it but Konstas should look at how Crawley and Duckett open in tests. Aus clearly want him to emulate them but they don’t go and play ramps or step across early in the innings they just play (a lot) of proper cricket shots.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

You can never know so I'll guess at the circumstances around his call up. There was a vacancy that McSweeney hadn't nailed down and Konstas was in form. I'm guessing the selectors were concerned about our starts which were scratchy, slow and unproductive. This was in some part unfair as there were times when Sween and Usman batted crucial overs - Adelaide for one iirc. Nonetheless it is true the openers couldn't get away from Bumrah and set up the innings for the middle order. They wanted someone who'd take the game away on the green pitches and the seam proud balls. Someone who was capable of doing a Warner or at least bazball Bumrah - who has been bazballed before. I think that innings in the PM's XI got him in the side and showed he could be unorthodox and score quickly. I think the selectors told him, or otherwise made it known to play like that, and it'd get him in the side (though they gave Sween one last chance).

Then came the fireworks at Melbourne and its clear by the way he played up to the crowd then and subsequently verballed Bumrah, that the excitement and attention is affecting his batting now.

If the above guessing is right, then the call up was fine and so would have been the playing to instructions. But you can't play like a cowboy forever, and that was mentioned at the time. He needs to be spoken to and told to play like early season Sam. He's got the game and gears and needs to learn when to apply them. I'm happy he was picked but I'm more worried about how he will be managed now. That is a greater danger than the risk of picking him for his first test.

You are still missing the entire point. No cricketer on the face of the planet, no matter how naturally talented, knows their own game anywhere near enough after so little first class cricket. I agree that it was definitely a directive for him to bat like that, but doing such a thing to someone so devoid of experience is honestly bordering on negligent imo

He definitely needed more time at a domestic level to learn more about his own best approach to batting, to figure out what works for him and what doesn't, before he should have been anywhere near international cricket. Expecting anyone that new on the scene to be able to have it all figured out so soon is just utterly insane to me

 

[the big bambino]

You are still missing the entire point. No cricketer on the face of the planet, no matter how naturally talented, knows their own game anywhere near enough after so little first class cricket. I agree that it was definitely a directive for him to bat like that, but doing such a thing to someone so devoid of experience is honestly bordering on negligent imo

He definitely needed more time at a domestic level to learn more about his own best approach to batting, to figure out what works for him and what doesn't, before he should have been anywhere near international cricket. Expecting anyone that new on the scene to be able to have it all figured out so soon is just utterly insane to me

Thanks but I'm not missing the point. I get it, I just disagree. It was a good decision to pick him while he was hot and it made a difference to a series we haven't won for a long time. Nothing on this planet will prevent him "figuring out what works for him" whether he played tests or not.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Thanks but I'm not missing the point. I get it, I just disagree. It was a good decision to pick him while he was hot and it made a difference to a series we haven't won for a long time. Nothing on this planet will prevent him "figuring out what works for him" whether he played tests or not.

It is never a good decision to pick somebody for Tests who has played so little prefessional cricket under any circumstances at all.


Trying to make the "pick him while he's hot" argument doesn't hold any water at all on the basis that you need to be looking over a considerably longer time period to even make a judgement that someone is running hot in the first place. Making such a determination off so few FC games (of which only one did he truly dominate in) is short sighted and impulsive in the extreme, traits that should have absolutely no place in selection discussions whatsoever

 

[Spark]

He's now 1 off 21 so clearly he's been told (again) to adjust.

 

[social]

I know a few old timers who would drop Konstas back to grade cricket if he doesn’t knuckle down in the 2nd innings