2024–25 Australian Domestic Season

[Spark]

I know a few old timers who would drop Konstas back to grade cricket if he doesn’t knuckle down in the 2nd innings

This would be insanely counterproductive. What he needs is stability and time to just learn his game, not constant wild swings from one extreme to another. He really needs to be basically left alone for the rest of the season and rediscover how to bat tempo as he was doing just fine before the PMs XI game.

 

[social]

This would be insanely counterproductive. What he needs is stability and time to just learn his game, not constant wild swings from one extreme to another. He really needs to be basically left alone for the rest of the season and rediscover how to bat tempo as he was doing just fine before the PMs XI game.

Friend of mine scored 95 for Wests one day and got out trying to hit a 6 for his ton

Team collapsed and lost

Bobby Simpson was the coach and punted him back to 2nds

Imagine what he’d say to Konstas & JFM

 

[Qlder]

Konstas FC average now down to a very mediocre 35.32, which shouldn't be knocking the door down for a test spot

 

[the big bambino]

It is never a good decision to pick somebody for Tests who has played so little prefessional cricket under any circumstances at all.


Trying to make the "pick him while he's hot" argument doesn't hold any water at all on the basis that you need to be looking over a considerably longer time period to even make a judgement that someone is running hot in the first place. Making such a determination off so few FC games (of which only one did he truly dominate in) is short sighted and impulsive in the extreme, traits that should have absolutely no place in selection discussions whatsoever

Picking players for tests or tours off little fc cricket isn't usual but it has happened. You don't need any more evidence than that in front of your eyes. He was scoring runs, confident and made a difference. It was a good call.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Picking players for tests or tours off little fc cricket isn't usual but it has happened. You don't need any more evidence than that in front of your eyes. He was scoring runs, confident and made a difference. It was a good call.

What evidence? What specialist bat has Australia picked after so little FC experience who has went on to establish themselves as a permanent fixture straight away?

I'll wait

 

[the big bambino]

What evidence? What specialist bat has Australia picked after so little FC experience who has went on to establish themselves as a permanent fixture straight away?

I'll wait

Don’t be dick. You know his record this year before he was picked.

Martin Donnelly played one fc match when picked to tour England. Pat Cummins - you may have heard of him? Played just a few before his first test at a younger age than Konstas.

But wait! You qualified didn’t you? You said Australian bat. Conveniently sidelining examples of successful early introductions to test cricket. Good on you. It’s what a sleazy smarm ball would do and you didn’t disappoint.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Don’t be dick. You know his record this year before he was picked.

Martin Donnelly played one fc match when picked to tour England. Pat Cummins - you may have heard of him? Played just a few before his first test at a younger age than Konstas.

But wait! You qualified didn’t you? You said Australian bat. Conveniently sidelining examples of successful early introductions to test cricket. Good on you. It’s what a sleazy smarm ball would do and you didn’t disappoint.

Of course I do what his record was, excellent in one game and merely OK outside of that. In no universe whatsoever is that even close to a large enough sample size to indicate being ready for test cricket.

And as for the last bit, it's because there is no validity in such blatantly apples and oranges comparisons. I'll give you Cummins to a certain extent (even though it wasn't until his comeback in India where he truly proved himself as the brilliant bowler he is, that was still off the back of sfa FC cricket) but trying to cite a guy who literally made his debut before World War 2 as evidence of your point is just utterly asinine

 

[the big bambino]

Of course I do what his record was, excellent in one game and merely OK outside of that. In no universe whatsoever is that even close to a large enough sample size to indicate being ready for test cricket.

And as for the last bit, it's because there is no validity in such blatantly apples and oranges comparisons. I'll give you Cummins to a certain extent (even though it wasn't until his comeback in India where he truly proved himself as the brilliant bowler he is, that was still off the back of sfa FC cricket) but trying to cite a guy who literally made his debut before World War 2 as evidence of your point is just utterly asinine

Why I wonder? because it's inconvenient and so you try and sideline it? I've just gone through a list of players who debuted in tests with less than 10 fc games - upper limit 7 before i stopped. There's some good 'uns and then there are real good 'uns. Try Sobers, George Headley and Seymour Nurse for a start.

 

[Gnske]

Just another round of no batting application or technical skill. Imagine Davies, JFM, Konstas and Dixon all playing test cricket.

It really makes you squeal with envy and marinate in your own juices to see how quality the Toyota Futures League stars of the future(s) really are.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Why I wonder? because it's inconvenient and so you try and sideline it? I've just gone through a list of players who debuted in tests with less than 10 fc games - upper limit 7 before i stopped. There's some good 'uns and then there are real good 'uns. Try Sobers, George Headley and Seymour Nurse for a start.

No because it's so long ago that it's not in the slightest bit relevant to anything that happens in the modern game. Professionalism and structure in the game both international and domestic has came so incredibly far that it really might as well be a whole different sport.

Like I said, apples and oranges

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Anyway in the vauge and probably forlorn hope of getting this thread back on track, as much as there is definitely strong argument that Bartlett should be in the Champions Trophy team, it is pleasing to see him getting a good amount of Sheffield Shield overs in again

 

[social]

Anyway in the vauge and probably forlorn hope of getting this thread back on track, as much as there is definitely strong argument that Bartlett should be in the Champions Trophy team, it is pleasing to see him getting a good amount of Sheffield Shield overs in again

The treatment of Bartlett has always been a bit strange

He’s been on the radar for years as evidenced by the fact he was given multi year state & BBL contracts when not fit

Now he’s got a full CA contract, has done well for Australia, is fit and hasn’t been picked

People I know are hoping that he gets selected for the Windies tour and the selectors are just waiting for him to get some overs under his belt but who knows

 

[Jarquis]

He's now 1 off 21 so clearly he's been told (again) to adjust.

I feel like he’s swung between two extremes a few time already? He got out for 3 off lots recently where that was his only scoring stroke didn’t he?

 

[TheJediBrah]

The treatment of Bartlett has always been a bit strange

He’s been on the radar for years as evidenced by the fact he was given multi year state & BBL contracts when not fit

Now he’s got a full CA contract, has done well for Australia, is fit and hasn’t been picked

People I know are hoping that he gets selected for the Windies tour and the selectors are just waiting for him to get some overs under his belt but who knows

Spencer johnson and Ellis are decent bowlers but it makes no sense leaving him out for the likes of Dwarshuis (like, seriously wtf) or proven failure Abbott

 

[Spark]

I feel like he’s swung between two extremes a few time already? He got out for 3 off lots recently where that was his only scoring stroke didn’t he?

Yeah it's quite noticeable at this point and not good.

 

[Burgey]

Another day, another hapless NSW batting collapse.

 

[Archie Jackson]

Very poor morning from NSW. Terrific spell from Boland but also a lot of unforced errors.

 

[Gnske]

Another day, another miserable showing from elite batsmen all over the country.

 

[Qlder]

With an opener and #3 slot possibly available for the WTC Final the Shield restart with last 4 games were always going to be critical. Unfortunately the last 2 rounds have not been good for potential top order bats

Renshaw - 154 runs @ 51.33 (hs 125*)
Ward - 105 runs @ 26.25 (hs 45)
Patterson - 84 runs @ 21.00 (hs 37)
Harris - 67 runs @ 16.75 (hs 33)
Goodwin - 49 runs @ 16.33 (hs 40)
McSweeney - 27 runs @ 13.50 (hs 20)
Konstas - 52 runs @ 13.00 (hs 22)
Hunt - 29 runs @ 7.25 (hs 15)

 

[GoodAreasShane]

With an opener and #3 slot possibly available for the WTC Final the last 4 shield games were always going to be crltical. Unfortunately the last 2 rounds have not been good for potential top order bats

Renshaw - 154 runs @ 51.33 (hs 125*)
Ward - 105 runs @ 26.25 (hs 45)
Patterson - 84 runs @ 21.00 (hs 37)
Harris - 67 runs @ 16.75 (hs 33)
Goodwin - 49 runs @ 16.33 (hs 40)
McSweeney - 27 runs @ 13.50 (hs 20)
Konstas - 52 runs @ 13.00 (hs 22)
Hunt - 29 runs @ 7.25 (hs 15)

This sort of thing is exactly what I'm talking about with short sighted thinking. Putting so much stock in such a small sample size of games is just completely the wrong way of going about things, you need to look at a larger body of work to at least semi accurately gauge how any player (especially a specialist bat) is tracking

The whole "you're only as good as your last game" cliche has always been complete horseshit