2015 World Cup: 10 teams and no associates

[Adamc]

Something to be said for a format like that, yeah.

It'd obviously be seeded so it's probably an 80-90% chance all the big 8 would make the quarters.

Against tho, well I don't know who the 32nd ranked team is, but willing to bet they'll be actively awful.

Singapore, apparently. Just behind cricketing superpowers Bahrain and Argentina.

 

[fredfertang]

The Beeb article I linked to quotes an unnamed expert sports lawyer:



Sounds rather like he fancies the brief, but my legal expertise consists of one term of Jurisprudence lectures I mostly slept thru a decade and a half ago.

He seems to be saying that the Court of Arbitration for Sport has powers to, effectively, Judicially Review governing bodies decisions. If that is the case, and as he's an expert presumably it is, then the abuse of power must be a runner (not so sure about discrimination though)

 

[Bun]

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than supporting my point that the tournament was set up to ensure all the 'big' teams qualified.

Stop trying to take the thread off topic.

You said "India" specfically, not "big teams".. anyways I am done with tha

 

[jashan83]

For the record, I wouldn't mind it in the least if the WC format was: 32 teams, straight knockout all the way. The team that would eventually win would be the one that could string together five good games in a stretch. IMHO, the one which passes the sternest possible test of consistency.

Well with your proposal the first round would look somewhat like this

Aus V Bah
Ind V Sing
SL V Arg
SA V Cayman Islands
Eng V Tanz
Pak V Nep
NZ V USA
WI V Den
BD V Italy
Ire V Oman
Zim V PNG
Neth V HK
Ken V Ber
Afg V Ugan
Can V UAE
Scot V Nam

 

[Borges]

Well with your proposal the first round would look somewhat like this

So what's wrong with that?

Chances are that Singapore would be soundly thrashed by India. For that matter, so would Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

Why should a completely meaningless, lopsided contest be perfectly acceptable in a WC league game, but completely unacceptable in a knockout? By that yardstick, what right have the West Indies to play a World Cup quarter final knockout against Pakistan? Or England to play Sri Lanka in Colombo?

 

[zaremba]

He seems to be saying that the Court of Arbitration for Sport has powers to, effectively, Judicially Review governing bodies decisions. If that is the case, and as he's an expert presumably it is, then the abuse of power must be a runner (not so sure about discrimination though)

Yes the reference to discrimination weakens my faith in the supposed expertise of this sports law bod. I'm not a sports lawyer but I am a discrimination lawyer and if Ireland have a good case for discrimination then I'm Wally Hammond

 

[Neil Pickup]

SA V Cayman Islands
Eng V Tanz

£10 double on Tanzania and the Caymans, please.

 

[Daemon]

SINGAPORE PLAYING INDIA??? Please adopt this format asap!

 

[jashan83]

So what's wrong with that?

Chances are that Singapore would be soundly thrashed by India. For that matter, so would Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

Why should a completely meaningless, lopsided contest be perfectly acceptable in a WC league game, but completely unacceptable in a knockout? By that yardstick, what right have the West Indies to play a World Cup quarter final knockout against Pakistan? Or England to play Sri Lanka in Colombo?

Well nothing wrong in that as such. It will give a global reach, but here ICC is having problem in a 12 team world cup and a 32 is a long away even in T-20.

 

[Daemon]

Should the T20 WC include a few more teams, and then be used as a qualifier for the actual WC?

 

[silentstriker]

From the BBC.

Pleased to see Ireland and their associate confreres aren't going quietly into the good night.

Good stuff. BCCI are unreachable but maybe some letters/lobbying to CA/ECB may result in at least a response?

 

[Borges]

Well nothing wrong in that as such. It will give a global reach, but here ICC is having problem in a 12 team world cup and a 32 is a long away even in T-20.

The number of games would be less in a 32 team knockout. When compared to a largely meaningless ten or twelve team league, designed with the sole intent of ensuring that India and England qualify for the business end.

 

[honestbharani]

So disgusted I've actually written to the ECB, for the first time ever. Not that it'll make any difference, but I just felt I had to register my opposition to this somehow.

can you share the email address? I reckon a lot of us should actually write to them..

 

[Blaze 18]

There needs to be some sort of a play-off for the last two spots at the very least. Have Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Netherlands, Canada and Kenya compete in a pre-tournament qualifier. The top two get to play the World Cup.

 

[GIMH]

can you share the email address? I reckon a lot of us should actually write to them..

I posted it earlier in the thread mate but it's feedback@ecb.co.uk

 

[Athlai]

Well with your proposal the first round would look somewhat like this

Aus V Bah
Ind V Sing
SL V Arg
SA V Cayman Islands
Eng V Tanz
Pak V Nep
NZ V USA
WI V Den
BD V Italy
Ire V Oman
Zim V PNG
Neth V HK
Ken V Ber
Afg V Ugan
Can V UAE
Scot V Nam

If we outright say the favourites win every match (even though the last 3 are at least moderately competitive) we'd get a next round of:

Aus vs Scot
Ind vs Can
Sl vs Afg
SA vs Ken
Eng vs Neth
Pak vs Zim
NZ vs Ire
Wi vs BD

I honestly think almost all of the above seem like good matches, and the round following this is going to be gun anyway.

Isn't the worst idea but a team in a WC should play more than 5 matches to win it.

 

[Flem274*]

Ireland and co. should contact a bunch of random hackers like Anonymous. Attacking someone like the ICC, ECB, CA or BCCI just for the lolz would be right up their alley, and it would give me no end of amusement to watch the ensuing chaos and melodrama.

I also suspect the ICC have some hotshot lawyers who will thump the minnows NZ style if this goes to court.

 

[gvenkat]

I think Bangladesh and Zim vetoed the move for the qualifiers. However the 10 team format is right except that Bangladesh, Zim, evne WI along with three other qualifiers should play a league prior to the WC to decide the 3 spots. That would "really" show who the minnows are and where they stand?

 

[Blaze 18]

I think Bangladesh and Zim vetoed the move for the qualifiers. However the 10 team format is right except that Bangladesh, Zim, evne WI along with three other qualifiers should play a league prior to the WC to decide the 3 spots. That would "really" show who the minnows are and where they stand?

Yeah, I don't really mind the fact that the number of teams has been reduced to ten (although I'd probably prefer twelve). Every team should get a fair chance of qualifying though. I see no reason why the likes of Bangladesh should get a free ride. It will never happen because ICC will get screwed if a test team gets beaten by an associate and doesn't qualify for the World Cup.

 

[Teja.]

As GIMH said earlier, All teams apart from the hosts and the defending champs should play qualifiers IMO.