2015 World Cup: 10 teams and no associates

[IrishOpener]

Check the petition (sig), apparently the ICC contacted Tim about it as well.

What do you mean?, or am I being very slow ...

 

[Bun]

Super six will never happen again, it needs to be guaranteed that India qualify for financial reasons.

Urgh, I'm still so angry about this. Will be really hoping Ireland beat us in August.

You forget how eNGLAND managed to qualify despite having their ass whooped by Ban and Ireland...

 

[four_or_six]

You forget how eNGLAND managed to qualify despite having their ass whooped by Ban and Ireland...

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than supporting my point that the tournament was set up to ensure all the 'big' teams qualified.

Stop trying to take the thread off topic.

 

[nick-o]

FTR, I replied to the ECB reply as follows:


Thank you very much for your reply -- it's greatly appreciated.
The media reports have sounded as if the exclusion of the associates
was a "done deal" for 2015, but your response suggests it is still
open to negotiation. Could you clarify this is, in fact, the case, and
put out some kind of statement to that effect? As I think you realize,
most cricket fans are appalled at what the media reports have
suggested is a blanket ban on associates in 2015, and I'm sure we
would all be heartened by an official clarification that this is not
the case.


It will be interesting to see how they respond to that.

 

[Neil Pickup]

What's the address for the form to contact the ECB? I feel like adding my voice.

 

[GIMH]

Feedback@ecb.co.uk

 

[BoyBrumby]

You forget how eNGLAND managed to qualify despite having their ass whooped by Ban and Ireland...

&, had we had a similar format to 2007, we could very well have been knocked out and I don't think many English cricket fans would say we didn't deserve it. We were the unwitting beneficiaries of the ICC cooking the books to ensure the big 8 (read: India) advanced.

The boneheaded thing is England's games v the associates were two of the best (to be conservative) dozen games of the whole tournament. Infinitely more entertaining than SA destroying the Windies or Australia carving Zimbabwe a new one.

Instead of helping the little guys out we're cutting them adrift and it stinks.

f_or_s's reply gives some small hope tho.

 

[vcs]

Couldn't disagree more with abmk blaming Ireland and Bangladesh getting through to the Super 8s for the WC 2007 being boring. Blame India and Pakistan for not turning up FFS, it was not as if the format was decided after they lost their first game. And blame England and WI for losing to every half-decent team they came up against, hardly putting up a fight.

 

[GIMH]

Haha yeah such a good point, had we both been competitive the Super 8s could have been really good regardless of Ireland and Bangas losing heaps

We ran Sri Lanka bloody close but we were a total shambles really, Ireland should have done us there too, and Bangas

 

[vcs]

And Bangers did beat SA as well.

 

[jashan83]

Great work by all of you guys. I hope they reverse the decision. Wither allow associates to qualify or make it a 12 nation world cup

 

[abmk]

you mean the format where one loss for SAF meant they didn't reach the semis, but Australia with 2 losses did ? Mind you there were no KO matches before the semis !

wow ! what a reply !!!!! I'm astounded , stupified, stunned !!!!!!!!

Now, care to actually properly reply to the point I raised ?

 

[abmk]

Couldn't disagree more with abmk blaming Ireland and Bangladesh getting through to the Super 8s for the WC 2007 being boring. Blame India and Pakistan for not turning up FFS, it was not as if the format was decided after they lost their first game. And blame England and WI for losing to every half-decent team they came up against, hardly putting up a fight.

@ bold part, my point. I wouldn't want that format again. What's happened has happened !

Yes, India and Pak are to blame big time for losing to Bangla and Ireland .But that sort of grouping makes more flukes probable , to put it in another way ...

I'm not blaming Ireland and Bangla for going through. I'm blaming them for not putting in decent performances in the Super Eight stage...I'm blaming the format for allowing just one upset each to help them go through to the next round.

If a team has to go through to the next round, they have to be tested for some sort of consistency in performance, clearly Bangla and Ireland were not ready/good enough in that WC to take it consistently to the big teams , key word being consistently

 

[BoyBrumby]

Ireland consider legal challenge

From the BBC.

Pleased to see Ireland and their associate confreres aren't going quietly into the good night.

Any of our legal bods have any opinions on the likelihood of the success of litigation?

 

[Furball]

Can we stop this nonsense that it was one result that knocked India and Pakistan out early in 2007?

 

[Borges]

For the record, I wouldn't mind it in the least if the WC format was: 32 teams, straight knockout all the way. The team that would eventually win would be the one that could string together five good games in a stretch. IMHO, the one which passes the sternest possible test of consistency.

 

[BoyBrumby]

For the record, I wouldn't mind it in the least if the WC format was: 32 teams, straight knockout all the way. The team that would eventually win would be the one that could string together five good games in a stretch. IMHO, the one which passes the sternest possible test of consistency.

Something to be said for a format like that, yeah.

It'd obviously be seeded so it's probably an 80-90% chance all the big 8 would make the quarters.

Against tho, well I don't know who the 32nd ranked team is, but willing to bet they'll be actively awful.

 

[fredfertang]

From the BBC.

Pleased to see Ireland and their associate confreres aren't going quietly into the good night.

Any of our legal bods have any opinions on the likelihood of the success of litigation?

Not my cup of poison really Brumbers but I would be very surprised if the ICC constitution didn't contain material which, coupled with what's happened in the past (ie partcipation of the Associates) couldn't give rise to a successful legal action. As I indicated earlier in the thread I, personally, have no doubt that the 2015 WC will not go ahead as presently planned

 

[Howe_zat]

Oliver Brett on Twitter:

Expert sports lawyer believes Cricket Ireland "have a case and a very good one".

Hmm.

 

[BoyBrumby]

The Beeb article I linked to quotes an unnamed expert sports lawyer:

Ireland have a case and they have a very good one.

The ICC can of course make decisions that they think are right for their sport but they have to be in line with natural justice and due process. I don't think they have observed these principles.....the excluded countries had signed up to the same memorandum and articles as the 10 leading nations and therefore had a contractual right to be part of the decision-making process...there could be a case for abuse of power and discrimination but any legal recourse would have to come after all efforts to resolve this internally had been tried.

Sounds rather like he fancies the brief, but my legal expertise consists of one term of Jurisprudence lectures I mostly slept thru a decade and a half ago.